Good. One less State allowing her betrayal of America.
“We are stuck with Biden[/Harris] now, in a two-party duopoly, if one should be defeated ferociously, the logic is that the other one prevails.” (Ralph Nader, 2023)
Putin’s Shill Stein wants Nato disbanded, the US to give up their SC veto, and revoke weapons to help Ukraine defend itself while simultaneously forcing ‘peace’ (subjugation) negotiations with russia.
More context:
- Emir Kusturica is a propagandist filmmaker quoted as saying “if I was Russian I would vote for him”. He also supports Russian annexation of Crimea.
- Willy Wimmer was a Right-wing German politician who in his retirement has effectively become a far-right conspiracy theorist that regularly posts to the Epoch Times.
For those that don’t understand how the Electoral College + FPTP voting works, voting for her means helping donald become president due to the spoiler effect.
No, not good.
Anyone who votes for her is a fucking moron who is wilfully ignoring the reality of how FPTP voting works.
But they should still have that right. It’s undemocratic to say otherwise. Saying they shouldn’t be allowed to run just because you don’t like the effect that voting for them might have is the mark of autocracy.
Couldn’t agree more. They used the form provided to them. Withholding ballot access based on a technicality smacks of disenfranchisement.
Apparently “democracy should be open” is a controversial take.
Or maybe my comment got downvoted for saying that those voting for her are morons?
Your vote for Harris takes away a vote from a 3rd party candidate and gives it to Trump
This is why we need better education. People who think they can just say words and they don’t even need to make any logical sense
That’s what the bullshit coming from Democrats sounds like from a leftist point of view
Yes for you all we have to do is convince 45% of voters to do something they would literally never do to succeed. And then if we don’t succeed, burning the country the rest of the way to ground at the expense of every vulnerable person is not only not cruel, it’s a fine choice. And that’s the only way to be a logical true leftist. Limiting suffering is clearly a horrible choice. I guess once we realize that suffering and cruelty is the whole point, your positions do make a lot of sense.
It’s worse than that. And understanding this is key to understanding why voting third party will never work in the USA without reforming our electoral system.
Suppose tomorrow, a genie grants one of these posters’ wishes and suddenly it’s Stein with 48.0% of the vote in critical swing states, and Harris and other candidates on the Left sit on 3% of the vote, while Trump has 51% of the vote. Suddenly, it’s Harris who’s the spoiler and we end up with Trump because 10k voters thought Jill was too cosy-cosy with Russia.
I have specific issues with Stein that would definitely have me far less sure of my vote, but I’d still take her over Project 2025 and DJT. I’d still be calling as hard against voting third party as I am in this universe where it’s the Greenie and not the Democrat that would spoil the election.
Exactly, this is not an ideological dispute, this is statistics. And that is the key to understanding why the third party astroturf posts and replies are not credible.
Every time someone helpfully responds with a statistics explanation, these users respond with ideological escalation. It always reframes the debate to be about an entrenched system or Gaza or miming offense or generic DARVO. (All of which coincidentally mirror right-wing talking points or known election disinformation goals - i.e., push deep state conspiracy theories, escalation political divisions to fray unity - if you find that coincidence interesting.)
What they never try to do is explain how a vote for a third party in our FPTP system results in a desirable outcome for their stated “third party” policy priorities.
Which is why none of it is convincing: they cannot be both ideologically so pure that it’s a moral imperative to vote third party, and simultaneously so ideologically aloof that they do not care that that vote can only undermine that outcome. So it’s either bad faith, or reckless ignorance.
Your vote for any candidate that isn’t yourself takes away a vote from the only candidate whose opinions match yours perfectly.
Capitalists represent nothing I want in government.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
This idiotic “point” will always fall flat. Your third party spoilers will get less than 3% combined nationwide. And your vote will be worthless unless you’re trying to help Trump.
She doesn’t seem that far off from Trump based on both wanting daddy Putin’s policies anyways.
Meh, I’m not voting for her anyway.
Right, we know you’re voting for trump
Russian shills can’t vote, at least not legally.
Good, if your campaign isn’t competent enough to even file the right bureaucratic papers you proooobably don’t have anything together enough to run a country
In fairness to the Greens, they actually had the right paperwork prepared and ready to file, and it was refused with the state officials saying to file incorrect paperwork instead.
I feel this is bad in terms of (non-legal) precedent - the GOP might be able to use a similar strategy to keep the Dems off the ballot in the future in any battleground states where they control both the governorship and the state legislature.
E.g.
Dems: Here’s the correct paperwork. Put us on the ballot and see you on election day.
State officials (GOP affiliated): No, wrong paperwork. Fill this out.
Dems: You sure? We think this is right.
State officials: Yep, you gotta do this one or no election for you.
Dems: Fine.
National GOP: They filled the paperwork wrong. Keep them off the ballot.
Dems: Nope, we were told do this by the State.
State officials (GOP affiliated): Sorry, we made a mistake. You’re off the ballot.
Dems: Courts?
Courts: Sorry, but you’re still off the ballot even though it’s not your fault.
Her campaign filed the correct forms, the elections official lied and gave them the wrong forms to resubmit. The DNC will lie and cheat if they feel threatened
No, they filed the wrong forms because they didn’t do any due diligence on what a clerk mistakenly sent them. The whole SCOTUS case was because they were saying that just because they were idiots, it shouldn’t stop the signatures from still counting. However there is well established precedent on the similar cases that puts the onus on the people filing paperwork with the government.
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Verified proof of this? Or are those your Russian talking points given by your contacts?
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/nevada-democrats-sue-to-block-green-party-from-2024-ballot
This is from back when they submitted the correct form, with around 3 times the required number of signatures. Democrats challenged it, the green party requested a new form, and the details of that incident are in OP’s article. The secretary of states office gave them the wrong form, they again submitted 3 times the required number of signatures, and democratic majority supreme court kicked them off the ballot.
You are absolutely right here and I appreciate you trying to inform people. Unfortunately this crowd is mostly anti-green-party to the point that it blinds them from being reasonable on the subject.
Got a source for that bullshit you just said?
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A full report on your failure is due tomorrow morning in Daddy Vlad’s quarters, Shill Stein.
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It’s odd because if I am understanding correctly the unsigned order does not explain why.
Which means no precedent is set.
But on the flip side, I would have liked to know if the SC declined to hear it because they thought it should be left to the State, it was undue federal interference if they overruled a state supreme court on a matter of State law, or there was some federal law that barred the suit, etc.
Anyways, this does raise the following contradiction - if both Stein and the SC are in the GOP’s pocket, how come the SC didn’t help the GOP by ordering Stein back on the ballot?
Anyways, this does raise the following contradiction - if both Stein and the SC are in the GOP’s pocket, how come the SC didn’t help the GOP by ordering Stein back on the ballot?
Exactly! Very good question.
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