• Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    The medieval kingdoms are past manifestations of North and South Korea. If you studied Korean linguistics, I doubt you’d be questioning that they the manifestations even have different names.

    I dont want to take the time to go through your reference with you, only for you to then again refuse to engage with the argument but instead throw up yet another half-assed article.

    And you wonder why I hesitate as well as bring up the whole criteria question amidst you at other times asking for an increased quantity of sources rather than increased quality), especially as what you’re saying is more derailing.

    I did not claim they weren’t isolationist, nor did I say it was for any reason aside from it being one of their cultural values/habits. Is this not you using the straw man fallacy? Would you be arguing against the point I’m not making as if I made it if you were able to come to terms with the fact I didn’t make it, or would you be praising the fact that I in actuality agree with you on that point?

    • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      Jesus Christ you really are just going in a roundabout. You claim history from middle ages is relevant, but moderns history is spurious, okay good whatever. By that logic the us if a fascist slave state, as is every single European country.

      Sure it’s a strawman fallacy to quote things you said back to you, that’s what a strawman is allright. Wanting to engage with your sources is whataboutism or whatever. You still haven’t engaged in any source critique. You speak of studying history and linguistics, but you fail the very base-level tools of both of those studies.
      Yeah good some website says they’re isolationist, because they say they are.

      This is due to the nation’s strict closed-country policy: not many outsiders have visited there and not many North Koreans have traveled to the outside world.

      Conditions that, say it with me, are imposed by the us. Here’s your favorite source Wikipedia here’s the state dep websitehttps://www.state.gov/democratic-peoples-republic-of-korea-sanctions/. It is in fact incredibly simple to both visit the dprk, as long as you’re not American https://www.youngpioneertours.com/north-korea-tours/
      this has already been argued with you, which you refused to engage with, which is how we ended up in this semantic rabbit hole. You keep arguing they’re isolationist because of culture or medieval history, completely ignoring modern history and current affairs. But this has already been pointed out to you.

      • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        It’s a strawman to say I said things I didn’t say in order to make it seem as if there is something I’ve said which can be argued against, which is exactly what you’re doing by saying “ it’s a strawman fallacy to quote things you said back to you”. If I perceived you as saying something, and you clarified what you meant and revealed I was perceiving it wrong compared to what you intended, I would respect this.

        Yeah good some website says they’re isolationist, because they say they are.

        …as opposed to? It’s not pointing out a contradiction or hole or exposing a lie simply to dismiss the article’s claim.

        Conditions that, say it with me, are imposed by the us.

        …based on?

        It is in fact incredibly simple to both visit the dprk, as long as you’re not American

        You say that like being restricted to one area when you visit and needing a supervisor is that much better.

        • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          1 year ago

          Allright you’re just going in circles, it’s obvious you refuse to engage with anything I put in front of you, and you keep behaving as if I haven’t gone into every single one of your arguments. You’re wasting both of our times by willfully choosing to be obtuse, so I am going to disengage from this conversation

          • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            Did you not ask for more sources and did I not give a few more? Did I not ask what criteria you want us to go by with sources and did you not say there was no inherent criteria except to demonstrate where points in an article conflict? If in your answer to that question you were explaining your chosen criteria, you have a funny way of showing it.

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              1 year ago

              You’ve given exactly one more, which I engaged with. Stop being obtuse.
              I’ve given you the criteria. You kept asking for the criteria, yet you had received it.

              • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                Alright, if that’s the criteria (even though it can be perceived as a lack thereof), then there’s really nothing you’re going by or can go by based on your sources because they’re all even in that regard.

                I’ll give an example in one of them. One of your sources claims that North Korea allows people in like any other nation as long as it’s not one of their three opponents… yet the sources also allude to the fact it’s barricaded, with a river to the North and a guarded wall to the South.