And do believe that I, this random guy on the internet has a soul

I personally don’t believe that I anyone else has a soul. From my standup I don’t se any reason to believe that our consciousness and our so called “soul” would be any more then something our brain is making up.

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    9 months ago

    I think so, but, to be fair, it simply isn’t a question that science could ever actually answer.

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      Until there’s a good definition of a “soul” that’s based in the natural world, there’s nothing to even evaluate. If it’s a definition based in not the natural world, then there’s no evidence that it even exists to begin with.

      Do you have a working definition for a “soul”?

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        You’re right that we need a definition, but that doesn’t mean it has to be based in the natural world. Science could never conclusively prove/disprove the existence of a soul because it’s inadequate in this context.

        The only scientific way to do it would be to compare a large group of people who definitely didn’t have a soul with another large group too see if there’s any consistent differences. Given that the experiment itself implies the existence of a soul it all becomes a little circular.

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      9 months ago

      no it did answer it, the answer is “no”.

      the easiest one is brain damage or drugs altering your consciousness…
      if your mind can be permanently damaged or significantly altered via brain changes, then it’s in your brain.

      but there’s a lot of other reasons the “soul” myth doesn’t make sense.

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        9 months ago

        Really? I’d be very interested in seeing a peer reviewed article in Nature in which someone reputable claims to have disproven the existence of the soul (especially without making a bunch of other ontological assumptions first). Can you point me to one?

        As far as I can tell, the existence of a soul, like the existence of God, is inherently a non-scientific proposition–i.e., it is not falsifiable. But correct me if I’m wrong.

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          It is primarily not falsifiable, because there is no clear definition of a soul. But something not being falsifiable or provable also means that it has no impact on reality. If it had an impact, we could measure that impact to prove that it’s there.

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          pretty sure both of those concepts have only remained ‘unfalsifiable’ via the immense power of shifting the goalposts whenever the evidence disproves them until they become so removed from reality as to be essentially meaningless.

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        It hasn’t answered it because it simply isn’t within the scope of science to be able to answer it. As has been pointed out elsewhere, you can’t point to any peer reviewed papers listing the evidence against a soul.

        At best you can play the “no evidence” card, which underlines my point that science cannot prove/disprove it because it’s out of scope.