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How does your nationality impact your utter ignorance of the percentage of weapons that Israel receives comes from America.

Great way to try and change the subject of your utter ignorance to one of your nationality, but you’re the only one bringing it up, and it’s perfectly clear to everyone reading what you’re doing. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, you stooge. What a weird fucking insult to throw in there.

Also, if they want to defend themselves they should. Themselves. Oh, that’s right, they can’t.

Also, genocide is not self defense. Nor is apartheid or annexation.

EDIT: go ahead and read the edit I’ve made to the comment you responded to.

Spoken like someone that doesn’t understand how much their military depends upon American aid.

Edit: spoken also like someone that doesn’t know that the US stopped every Israeli war because unlike you Israel knows it can’t exist without free weapons from the US.

And before you say ‘military aid is a handout to US weapons manufacturers’, an argument I suspect you’re not knowledgeable enough to make, Israel is the exception to that because unlike EVERY other country in the world that receives US military aid, Israel receives half of the aid as pure money they get to spend with other countries.

So when you say they’d just get the weapons from other countries, you’re doubly wrong, because they wouldn’t have the money, our fucking money, to do so.

Have you learned anything yet, or is your racism against Arabic people so strong that nothing will penetrate your desire to justify genocide?

Your response is coming from the entitlement of not having your entire extended family disappeared.

I’m glad you have that privilege.

Don’t murder peoples families and expect their support.

“Yes, we murdered your entire extended family, but we need your help to beat this person we swear would kill your family 110% faster. Never mind the fact that we already killed all of your extended family”

What don’t you get about this? You and people like you have zero credibility given what the people you support ALREADY HAVE DONE with the people they’ve done it to.

Honestly, we were done after Gore.

2000 was the last time period we could have done something that wouldn’t result in unimaginable pain to deal with climate change.

Too many tipping points have already been crossed.

The climate is one thing that both would fuck the world.

That’s a done deal at this point. The Democratic party would have slowed the rate of increase, but given the tipping points we’ve already crossed, we require actual massive amounts of removal of greenhouse gases, and major geo-engineering projects to try and prevent everything coming our way from climate change.

This is less of a politics post, and more of a ‘we’re so fucked, and most people aren’t aware of how fucked we are that they think what the Democratic Party wants to do for climate would actually do a damn thing’

Seriously, at this point it would require a complete overhaul of both our political system and economic system such that life would be unrecognizable to forestall gigadeaths.

Genocide.

I haven’t voted on 118 yet. It’s the only bit unfilled. Not sure which way I’ll go. Probably no, and then walk the ballot to a Dropbox in my neighborhoods library.

No, they aren’t. That literally is nowhere in their post.

You either didn’t read it all, or you’re lying, or you have poor reading comprehension skills.

I doubt it’s the latter for a mod on a text based platform.

P.S. I’m an admin on a fairly large platform for a fairly large group. When the group took off, I started interacting on it a LOT less because my moderation responsibilities (which also increased with the groups growth, why are so many people just blatant assholes or trolls?) required that people view me as impartial and unbiased.

Choosing to engage frequently in controversial topics and using straw man arguments against posts that literally don’t say anything related to what you say they say is certainly… a choice… for a mod to make.

Don’t get me wrong, I miss my ability to interact with the group I admin like a normal person, but my duties to the group take precedence. I understand the desire, but there are other options.

Responding to multiple unprovoked acts of war from Israel is not aggression.

Bombing a countries embassy in a third party nation is an act of war.

Assassinating a visiting ambassador in Iran’s capital is an act of war.

The only reason Iran didn’t respond to the first is because the US promised them a peace deal.

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No, they can’t, because they aren’t engaging in the genocide and Israel doesn’t need our help to commit it.

American support is essential to the Israeli state, in response to aggression from Iran and other sources which is why we continue to provide it, it’s NOT essential to the genocide, which Israel is fully capable and willing to commit with their own resources.

Which is it? Are they committing a genocide or not?

Israel absolutely can’t do this without our weapons.

This is an objective provable fact.

Why do you believe that Israel ended every other war of aggression when there US forced them to end it.

Where do you think their money for weapons comes from?

Where do you think their weapons comes from?

I can’t tell it you’re lying intentionally to justify genocide, lying unintentionally because you are just fantastically uninformed about the regions history, or just flat out delusional.

Whatever the reason, you’re wrong. Biden could end this with a single phone call. You know, like has happened multiple times in the past. Because even if you don’t want to acknowledge the truth, Israel is aware of its absolute dependence on America.

Now onto the genocide bit. Actually, I can’t. At this point it is so blindingly obvious it is it’s like trying to argue with someone claiming the sun doesn’t exist.

I’m revising my opinion about your choice to lie about how much control the US has over Israeli adventurism.

I’d bet money you voted against measure 117.

This is provably a lie.

They can end the genocide right now. Implying that they can’t is trying (and failing) to provide them cover for committing a genocide. And yes, continuing to provide weapons to the grunts doing the work doesn’t absolve them of the moral responsibility for it, nor does it provide them enough cover to pretend that genocide isn’t the outcome they want.

So… Both parties then?

Edit: both parties support this genocide 100%.

If you want to differentiate between Trump and Harris, you need to use a different policy position to do so. Gaza isn’t it.

This isn’t ‘A cousin’ situation.

I have multiple friends who’ve lost the entirety of their extended families.

Aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and grandparents gone in a day.

The jackasses going around calling people ‘entitled’ for not supporting the party directly responsible for erasing their entire families from existence are entitled to be able to go through life with absolutely no empathy or imagination.

Most people that claim they will move haven’t actually looked at what is required from other countries and wouldn’t be accepted If they tried to move.

Are the tankies in the room with us right now?

Do you know what a tankie is other than ‘someone to the left of genocide’?

I’m upset that you want to equate ~1000 to ~150000. And it is extremely stupid to think that it won’t be noticed that you think pointing out the disparity between those numbers is the same thing as defending Hamas. Why is that? You still didn’t answer that. Almost like you’re afraid to address that. At least have the courage of your beliefs.

By the standard of ‘civilians have been killed’ every country ever involved in a war is equally evil, which is occipitally not true.

I’m making dinner right now, and won’t have the time to respond until tomorrow. However, I will say that I appreciate your obviously thought out (even if I disagree with it) response, and not knee-jerk calling me a Russian stooge.

Good job responding to something I didn’t say to try and discredit what I did.

Don’t think that goes unnoticed.

I’m not excusing Hamas. The fact that you read what I did says that you are either responding in bad faith, didn’t read my response very carefully, or are stupid. I’ll go with the middle one to be generous.

I don’t excuse Hamas. I don’t control Hamas, and much more importantly, I don’t pay for the weapons that Hamas use.

I pay, or rather my country pays, for the weapons that Israel uses to bomb apartment building, schools, and hospitals.

Hamas has killed somewhere between 1000-2000 civilians in this conflict, and that is being generous because we know that a large number of causalities were from Israel enacting the Hannibal directive and intentionally killing their own to keep them from being made prisoners (If Israel gets to grab 11,400 West Bank civilians without trial or due process and call them prisoners, then Hamas gets to do the same). Furthermore, if we count anyone who was in the IDF or the IDF’s military reserves as active military, then the number of civilians goes WAAAAY down. Remember that the IDF considers the trashmen, police, and hospital administrators as active combatants with Hamas affiliation. So, once again, if that is the standard that Israel is setting then it applies to all parties, including Israelis.

Israel, by all best estimates, has killed somewhere between 100,000-200,000 civilians. That is between 5% - 10% of the ENTIRE POPULATION OF GAZA. In all honesty, the number is probably higher.

That is completely ignoring the systemized rape and torture camps that Israel has set up, and the Israeli media discovered. Also, something that there is no evidence that Hamas has set up.

Acting like those two numbers are equivalent, or pointing out that Israel is quantitatively a minimum of 2 orders of magnitude worse, or that the two sides are the same is either stupidity, or evil. Take your pick.

None of this is justifying Hamas. It is pointing out how much more fantastically, cartoonishly fucking evil the Israeli government is.

You should ask yourself why you view the above as justifying Hamas. You might discover something.

Fucking press the goddamn enter button. Do you have any idea how painful quoting you to respond on a phone is?

proposed a “peace plan” that was actually just carving up Palestine into a bunch of little pieces that could never constitute a viable state and giving Israel control of the paths between, effectively wishing to formalize Israeli control of the entire region)

What do you think the situation is now?

From my point of view, any action that brings him closer to getting back in power is asking to throw gasoline on a genocidal fire,

What practical changes do you think that Trump will make that could speed things up?

What actions do you actually think Biden is taking to slow things down.

From my point of view, any action that brings him closer to getting back in power is asking to throw gasoline on a genocidal fire, and saying that one’s motive for doing so is being against genocide is sickening in the kind of way that it would be if you saw someone suggest that Hitler should have won ww2 because of all the evil stuff that Winston Churchill was responsible for. Consider for a second what people making your argument look like, from that lens.

This is the wrong analogy.

The analogy that you are arguing is to vote for Gregor Strasser as an moderating influence on the Nazi Party.

Consider for a second what people like making your argument look like, from that lens.

I’m impressed you are aware of the intentional genocide of 4 million Indians caused by Churchill. I am not impressed by your apparent lack of awareness of other lessons from that same time period.

I’m also not impressed by people that believe they can protect their outgroup by backing someone happy committing genocide.

The Democratic party has long signaled it would be happy to throw out the T to protect the LGB. Those that think it would stop there need to re-read this poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.