While I’ll agree that even focusing on votes is healthier than constantly worrying about how the terrible guy continued saying terrible things, there are better tactics than that available to us. If folks here want to worry about votes though, I’d recommend things that fight voter disenfranchisement, like ensuring polls have sufficient volunteers, or helping ensure people in line to vote will have enough time, food and water to wait out a long line.

(It should be noted though that it is unlikely he will be convicted, even if the Dems win, so don’t get your hopes too high.)

Did you read my comment? Here, I’ll help you.

I do not want anyone to vote for Trump, vote third party, or abstain. What I want is for them to understand that voting is the minimum they can do, and that they can and should protest the current and future admin’s policies regarding Israel until they stop enabling genocide, regardless of the color of the tie they wear.

Read that paragraph, then try again. Maybe with less antagonism, yeah?

A regular reminder to everyone here that they do not actually have to care what Trump says. You already know he’s shit. Focus on something healthier.

You can absolutely pressure Harris, though. Join a protest.

Trust me, I’m well aware of literally everything you’ve just said. I get told it on almost every comment I make here, and every time people make the same two big mistakes:

1. Limiting their thinking to votes.

2. Refusing to push Democrats left, because they’re scared it might hurt Harris’ election chances.^[1]

I am pushing against #2 in this thread first and foremost, and getting #1 out of your response as a result. Please, understand that I know that Democrats are better than Trump. Everybody knows that, and if you think I want people to vote against Harris you are misunderstanding me entirely.

I do not want anyone to vote for Trump, vote third party, or abstain. What I want is for them to understand that voting is the minimum they can do, and that they can and should protest the current and future admin’s policies regarding Israel until they stop enabling genocide, regardless of the color of the tie they wear.

If we let Democrats scare us with Trump or someone like him every year, nothing will change.

And why’s that on us? Why is it our job to toe a party line when said line means killing people en masse?

It’s supposed to be their job to represent us, not our job to kiss their asses. Stop letting the DNC use Trump as an excuse to do whatever they want; if they want to be more electable, maybe it’s on them to adopt a better platform.

Why is someone’s reluctance to vote for your preferred candidate more upsetting to you than said candidate’s choice to platform genocide?

If you’re so worried about Trump being elected, maybe you should push for Harris to adopt better policy so people are more comfortable voting for her, rather than shaming people for not wanting to vote for the lesser of two genocides.

I really don’t think these are the same group of people. From the article:

The strike was ignored in some areas, reflecting deep political divisions in Israel after nearly 11 months of fighting.

Those are the people you’re thinking of, and they aren’t striking.

Absolutely none of what you just said justifies Israel willfully bombing hostages.

It is, but DdCno1’s been taking a pro-Israel stance into a very, very pro-Palestine site. I really don’t know what else they’d expect besides pushback, honestly.

So you believe that erstwhile hostage rescuers have no responsibility to actually keep the hostages alive, then? Because you’re writing apologia for that.

a ruthless movement that would rather sacrifice every single Palestinian man, woman and child than surrender

You know, I’ve no love for Hamas whatsoever, but I can’t help but notice you consider “willingness to sacrifice civilians” to be somehow worse than, say, “actually, literally sacrificing civilians right now.” That’s not a very good look.

with the ICC waiting with handcuffs behind the banner

This implies other countries wouldn’t sooner dismantle the ICC than let it actually do its job, which sadly seems to not be the case.

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Can we pack the court yet?

On the presidential ticket for 2024, yes, harm reduction is the only option. But I don’t have to like it, and it’s not gonna mean that I’m not going to criticize and protest the genocide she enables.

There’s more to politics than just voting in an undemocratic system.

The whole “genocide joe” narrative did not provide any benefit in Gaza,

Biden’s admin absolutely noticed the protests against him and it was because of that that we got a pause (however temporary) on some of the heavy ordnance sold to Israel. The uncommitted votes in the primaries did not go unnoticed either. Not to mention that absolutely none of us are suggesting Trump is a viable alternative to anyone (i.e. we are not discouraging voting against him), and that we’d protest just as fervently (if not more) if he did win.

All this however is placing the blame on us for standing up for what we believe in, and implicitly forgiving the Biden admin for the atrocities they enable — after all, if they wanted to secure their candidacy more, why not acquiesce? Everyone’s all ready to criticize the people protesting to save lives, but not so much prepared to criticize the people enabling the killing?

Still, let’s be generous and take this as true regardless. Once the election is over, are you willing to commit to joining us in protesting until the U.S. stops sending weapons to Israel, regardless of who wins?

And folks wonder why I’m not optimistic for a Harris admin.

I can’t understand how anyone could see a vote for her as anything other than harm reduction.

So if leftists really cared about Gaza, they’d… not protest the party currently in power? The one selling the bombs?

Because I don’t think you genuinely believe any leftist, tankie or otherwise, actually likes Trump. I think you just don’t like it when they protest Biden or Harris.

So people need to vehemently denounce Trump once per hour or else they must obviously be siding with him…?

Seriously though, isn’t it obvious? If you expect Trump to be terrible, why would you fly into a rage when he meets that expectation? By contrast, Biden is expected to be better than this, and yet isn’t.

Pressure is applied where it is most effective. That is not and will never be anyone from the Republican party, because they openly and obviously do not give a fuck about any of us.

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