They love hockey and endure the cold? Bro I very clearly tried to come around a little bit but holy shit if that’s what you go to first for similarities and not major cultural differences, like the fact that much of the state actually voted for Donal Trump, then this conversation is not going to move at much of a pace.

And yea, there’s been a change but to be honest it’s been the classic people not paying any attention. We still voted Liberal in the past despite them always being very similar to how they are now, and their trend right-ward has always been there. They’re always elected because they try to scare people out of voting NDP, not because they actually offer anything that special. It’s literally why they went back on the voting reform they ran on in 2015.

Also “…” are not replacements for periods.

You said that you wouldn’t put the US super far right of Canada. At first I argued but honestly, with our level of ignorance despite the facts screaming at us, it’s pretty correct to say that we are largely a center-right nation right now and only getting further from progressiveness.

I’m speaking for the country as a whole since that’s the level of generalization this conversation already started with(state-wide in Minnesota’s case). We, meaning Canadians as a whole, are quite ignorant of politics, generally just doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result because learning about new things is harder than just stereotyping the branding of our ideas of each party. Has all the energy of Conservatives genuinely believing that the Liberals are woke progressives just for the majority of the country.

You really think the only sticking point is guns? Seriously? I mean, us Canadians are largely politically quite ignorant and most of our knowledge is vibes-based parroting of things our parents said when we were children so fuck it, sure, whatever, dude. And hey, we’re already dumb enough that we see the US and still vote nearly half for PP so there’s that. Maybe MAGA actually would be welcome.

The fact you don’t at all hnderstand why we wouldn’t want you, aren’t understanding what this person is saying, and seem to want to tell us what the problem is despite us laying out why we don’t like you in very clear language is exactly the kind of bullshit that makes us want to stay far, far away from that garbage.

The US sucks, and even at its best it’s nowhere near even the mediocrity that is Canada. We do not need to tip the scales even further right, we do not need to throw gasoline on the fire.

That is very fair.

Sounds like they probably should have been a little bossier. This is i credibly serious stuff and they just let it move at a snail’s pace? And what, it was so important and they were so sure they’d win the next election? The next election where they had momentum, realized it was because of progressive messaging and appealing to younger voters, and then tanked the whole thing with center-right branding because they haye winning?

No matter how you slice it it was weak bullshit.

Yea but at least some poor person isn’t getting your hard-earned dollar to get treatment for something for free. /s

What are you talking about? People are dead, not just from ICE but the danage he’s done to healthcare and people’s ability to care for themselves has more than definitely led to more death and suffering. Trade deals have been fucked completely up and even allies who have done so much to pretend that the US isn’t a volatile, evil place are finally admitting it. The Democrats have been given permission, again, to move further right. The Whitehouse, as boring a building as it is, currently has a massive hole in the side and it garden was paved over. Billions of dollars have been wasted, thrown straight in the fire.

No, it’s time you admit that you can’t just vote the current evil out of office and have everything be fine. Even a win against the right will only be the first step in a very long fight to get on track.

Have you seen their “policy”? If the right’s not committing acts of violence then it’s simply not the right anymore. The people in charge are only in it for blunt power and the people who support it are necessarily not smart enough to understand that and are the kind who scream and yell and attack as a first resort.

It’s a Manananggal, a Filipino monster.

Native of Puerto Rico? I’m amazed they let him sign-up at all.

So…they’re sending an immigration department from the Department of Homeland security to be security for atheletes in a foreign country? The fuck?

The US is the epitome of the idea that if you have an appointment 45min away at 8:45 and it’s 8:40 if you just pretend to be in a hurry you might make it on time. You will not be calling ahead to tell anyone where you are because you’re “on the way” and obviously you’re still stopping for a little coffee because you’ve had a stressful morning.

These mag-dumping morons(read, most cops and adjacent in the US) really seem to care less about the reduction of danger and more about the obliteration of opposition. Yes he was already dead, but they had make sure. Same with Good when they refused treatment, shooting her was out of cowardice but letting her die when she could have been saved was plain ol’ cruelty and punishment for the crime of making them feel small.

I keep saying trying is something that should still be done, so not really sure where you’re getting that, though yes I agree that I’m not convinced that the US’ bar is high enough.

Honestly, the simple fact is that the US is deeply fucked and got that way partly because the population, in general, supported that Quiet Peace™. Peoplentoo afraid to stir the pot, too afraid to get temporarily uncomfortable for a longterm gain. Decades and decades of centrists and people desperate to appear “moderate” without ever really defining that term. You talk about how strong the system is yet Trump has faced zero consequences for all his delays, his felonies, and impeachments against him have gone nowhere. Look at how hard the system had to work to get even what you claimed, and look at how easily many of the Jan 6 protesters where pardoned, and tell me withba straight face that system is moderately healthy and just needs small changes to set it all right.

I don’t have much to say against the people who didn’t vote for Kamala. The Democrats are largely totally ok with what the GOP is doing and they keep letting them off with nothing more than a frowny face. Harris cared so much about the country that after losing she simply disappeared and wrote a book about it. Her win wouldn’t have put the country back on track, but sending a strong message to the Democrats that being center-right is not an alternative to fascism would have certainly been a start. And we can see with Mamdani that they don’t want to hear that message, but it makes it louder.

The US has been like this the whole time, it’s a core issue not a sudden surface blemish that can whisked away. The only difference is that now even white people are getting to experience what it’s been like for everyone else. The solution is not going to be comfortable, whatever that ultimately means, and you need to let go of that idea so that you’re not blocking change either with your vote or something else.

So what was January 6th to you? It’s like someone missed killing someone else and your response to just tell them you got your eyes on them and will totally bring the hammer down after they finally succeed in killing someone.

Maybe it’s just the US’s belief that what they have is normal and cool, but even what is considered normal there is insanity in many other places. The system has had so many chances, and yes I still agree that it does not need to be completely obliterated, but at some point you cannot sit there waiting for the worst outcome before acting. The country has been utterly desensitized to incredibly heinous acts, to the point where they see ICE murdering people in the streets and that’s still not too far for many of them.

For examle: 99% of what Fox News says is straight-up lies, libel, fraud, bullying, incitement to violence, and good ol’ fashioned hate-speech. It’s not throwing out the legal system and trampling on their free-speech to want to see the entire organization persecuted for the damage they’ve caused.

But that’s exactly it, isn’t it? People can, and should, elect better people into power and they shouldn’t exactly resort to violence. That said, the fact that I’m not hearing about ICE vehicles(without occupants) being lit the fuck on fire is kinda sad. And you talk about the law but it’s like I said, Minnesota’s supposed to be fairly decent, apparently, and yet the best they can do is throw a frowny fave at ICE. The law is fully on their side, they don’t need to change any laws to give themselves permission to start arresting ICE agents for all the illegal stuff they’re doing, they just refuse to do it.

So when is the right time? Or will you, like I’ve already said, just hide away lying to yourself that the laws will actually help despite overwhelming evidence? Where’s the line in the sand?

I see it another way: This shit would send waves of protests and anger in so many other countries but over here in the US and Canada we just shrug our shoulders and say “the law will handle this”. It clearly doesn’t, and it takes forever to get anythjng does work to show up, and the whole time it’s [not] happening no one is actually treating it as seriously as they need to.

Minnesota should be removing ICE from the state. You talk about the law like it’s going to save anyone but they’re already there doing illegal things and Minnesota is fully within its right to tell the shove off, so where is that fight? What good are these rules if they can be ignored? What good are they if there are zero real consequences?

Trump has dozens of felonies to his name and then he got to be the goddamn president. That entire exercise was performative so why the fuck should anyone trust anything?

ICE is doing a bunch of illegal stuff and Democrats are like “surely if we make a law and ask them to stop slowdown nicely…”

Tens of millions of people fell in line behind him. The US was already completely fucked and there’s no hiding from that. Trump didn’t do anything people weren’t itching to hear and to latch onto.