They know they’ll win anyway. What’s going to be interesting is when they realize being a multi millionare doesn’t qualify them as rich enough for that to be true for the level of shit hitting the fan that’s coming up.

I don’t disagree, but a lot of that is uncertainty being resolved (for now). Most economists liked Harris.

They meant “no where to put the power”, which is true (although it’s not a new problem by any stretch and there’s a lot going on to address it).

Lol. I get it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it a million more times I’m sure: it’s got a lot of problems, but I like the framework the NAP provides. It’s explicit and provides a place to work from.

They’re not all crazy “public roads are theft” folks. And again, remember the party soundly rejected trump. IME a lot of libertarians are generally supportive of social programs, so long as they’re egalitarian.

But what really rustles jimmies is the cut and dry stuff. I will never be able to get over democrats being on the wrong side of gay marriage, even in the name of pragmatism. I’ll support them out of pragmatism, but I’m bitter about it.

But to the point of this thread: very little of that matters if there’s not a next election. I’ll take the party that fumbled gay marriage in the late 2000s VS. The one that wants to kill my friends 1000/10 times.

And again to the point of this thread: it’s telling, and gives me faith in my party, there is no “Garry Johnson” this year.

As someone in a state where my presidential vote is very much decided… I voted Gary Johnson in 2016. I know there are a lot of very real critiques of the libertarian party and/or platform, but it’s really sad the green party puts it to shame… it’s not a high bar.

My point being… wtf is she still doing doing this stuff? Libertarians push local candidates all the damn time, and make a push for the presidential seat when they can, but soundly rejected Trump, and hell, even in 2016 you had the VP libertarian cantidate saying “vote Hillary”. Like I am upset as anyone else, but if you’re still in the green party you’re just kidding yourself… and thats from a freaking libertarian that hates his party a good 50% of the time.

Like a lot of things it’s very coruptible. I’d say the things that make it borscht are: beets, tomatoes, sour cream and the dill really is the thing (although again, if you just plain don’t like dill don’t force it).

Do it by the recipie(ish) once then make it your own :). Tomatoa broth isn’t terribly common in recipies.

Borcht is delicious. It’s beef/chicken/protein veg with beets as a kind of stew with a sort of tomato creme sauce. You typically serve it with a genous dollop of sour cream and dill. The dill is optional (I know some people hate that flavor) but in my opion is really key.

It doesn’t really have a particular scent other than “stew”. It’s great in a slow cooker, and you can bastardize/customize it if you want (although it may not technically be Borcht at that point). If I don’t have beef I’ll do it with polish sausage and sometimes had boiled eggs.

10/10 don’t sleep on tasty European tomato beet meat stew. Stew/soup season is coming.

Yeah I’m so confused they’ve been trying to push that one. I think it’s just about 2019 prices near me, maybe a little better.

I’m sure there are people who have said it before, but Lindsey Ellis did a great essay on mel Brooks, and the whole point of his comedy being “dude… People marching in synchro is just goofy”. The point being how damn fragile a facade is when there’s nothing behind it, and how much these kind of “strong men” depend on it.

The whole “weird” thing was the perfect shot. The reason it works is because it’s also true “no man, you’re not to tough for me, you’re just… Fucking weird…”

There are legitimate concerns about our spending and debt. Fiscal conservatives aren’t totally wrong when they bring that up, but it’s never the sacred “free market” that has to take the blows. The last proper fiscal conservative was Eisenhower, and even that’s a mixed bag.

Giddyup. In the meantime I’ll vociferously vote for the folks who 1) aren’t seditionist assholes who call my friends non humans 2) don’t use passing point 1 to do other heinous shit. Voting in primaries is paramount, it makes people scared.

That shit never would have flown with me. Again, I might be libertarian, but not the crazy kind.

But for whatever it’s worth, this whole last decade has been weird. I know, personally, people who showed up with the goofy “tea party” hats that just kinda quietly bowed out, and on the other end people who became more vocal. It’s just not normal. There’s not a consistency between teaparty/not teaparty republicans and Trump.

I’m glad your Dad at least is in the former. I’ll argue all day with those people about basic human rights, but my point is shit is fucked. The people I know, whether or not I agreed with them, that were on those statehouse steps, are not turning out to vote. I get fiscal conservatives, I get structuralists, I hope someday to meet one or the other, because certainly neither has ever been elected to office.

Killing the GOP is in your best interest if fracturing the Democratic Party is what you want. Progressives have been ready to bail since 2016. It’s not likely to make American politics any less statist, though.

'nuff said. Right there with you. As per the rest, like I said I vote out idiots when I can, and I’m avoiding naming the state because it’s the internet, but we do pretty well in terms of workers rights, civil rights, and healthcare (yes there are libertarians who support MFA etc), so I think it’s important to indicate that, especially for local issues, the national issue of the party means less.

But I hear you and you do you. I’m pretty damn far from accelerationist, but if we really can’t keep to clear cut things like the EC… well… we’ve got far bigger issues.

And I can’t wait. I am firmly in support of ranked choice. I think it’s absence is the root cause of a lot of issues and should be a single issue voter issue… second ONLY to the fact that there is a “candidate” in the running who is responsible for a Temu quality coup.

Again (not for you but others), I know the issues of my party. It’s my party not my religion. I am uncomfortable with the compromises democrats make. The thing about coalition governments and multi-party systems is they allow compromises to happen while keeping support and acknowledging they are compromises in the name of pragmatism. It’s the way it should be, it’s how we get the best of all ideas.

There are things that should never be compromised. I’m a libertarian because Obama was in favor of “strong civil unions”, renewed the patriot act, and kept Guantanamo open. In a coalition government, I maybe could have understood that, but that’s the issue: without a coalition, and without ranked choice, those are now principles of the democratic party.

And again, it’s all secondary to being able to vote at all in 2028. Harris is going to have a hell of a time, but I’m excited for it.

no sign of insurrection

For what it’s worth: I’m not a democrat. Ask me why I’m supporting a democrat and will say in no uncertain terms there is no choice to be made this election. I mean there’s a lot of reasons, but it is utter insanity this isn’t enough by a long shot.

I’m a registered libertarian. Despite the craziness, I don’t plan on changing that. I wouldn’t have voted for Biden, strictly because I live in a state that has 0% chance of flipping, BUT I routinely vote for democrats in senate/house/local races where my vote actually does make a difference. I also encouraged friends with similar mindsets in battleground states to vote Biden.

I think the democratic party needs to fracture, it just needs to fracture AFTER the republican party.

All of that is a setup to say: I also am excited, and if someone like me is excited, I think that’s a DAMN good sign. I cannot wait to piss and moan about a Harris admin. It is a big damn country, I look forward to disagreement returning to the point it doesn’t result in erosion of fundamental rights and democracy itself, not to mention godamn violent insurrection.

Pretty solid. The supreme court only gets a say on a case thst gets to them, which is to say while they have a ton of sway, they’re still a court. Someone has to file a suite, and it has to then be appealed (because neither side in a suite like that is going to NOT appeal). Each time you appeal it moves “up the chain” of a specific judicial circuit. While the circuits were meant to be more of geographical admin thing, the Trump presidentancy saw McConnell absolutely jam pack a circuit with shitty judges. The shenanigans during the document trial with Judge Cannon are a perfect example.

So they’d have to start with an actual suite. But that could be something as small as “in one polling place we found a Harris sign 99ft from the entrance!” (in the US it has to be 100ft). Normally that would be laughed out of court, but if the judge agrees the judge agrees. Then you appeal, and… Well…

It’s funny because I’m a registered libertarian. But the times are what they are.

Lol, my neighbor across the way put one of those up in 2020, we chit chat so while watering the garden I said “man I wasn’t going to vote, but because of your sign yeah, go Biden”. I mean I was… But anyway he took down the sign lol.

Yeah you say that and should be right but I’m more worried about January than I am November…