🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞

Well, I’d say time and place, but also phrasing. It’s a joke I’ve seen made workable a few times elsewhere, but this was definitely not it. hehe

It was awesome that she came to Colonial Williamsburg to speak. We weren’t the first or only spark in the Revolution, but important bits of it were happening here. I’m also amused as this article gives part of the story - CW is a living history museum; it’s also where it happened. Downtown Williamsburg is slightly northwest of where it was, because the original area of Williamsburg is now CW. Streets are public but closed to traffic during the day. It’s more than a mile wide and half a mile tall area of original colonial buildings along with many reconstructed. Nearly every individual building has a name and history. But yes, it’s also the largest ourdoor museum in North America. :)

Yeah, it’s exactly the type of joke I would normally make, but same… I happened to think it through and thought better of it. lol

How about you clarify what you mean, because right now, ambiguity implies that you think black people are apes. And if you’re trying to make the joke that “all humans are primates”, it’s probably not the best time, or at least you’d better do it carefully to make sure it’s funny and not cringe.

edit: Brief perusal of your comment history implies that it’s not very likely you were going for a super-racist joke; probably the “all humans” thing. Maybe rework it a bit? :)

Edit: Fix your link.

Link continues to work here. Title is “Can They Name 5 Countries in Africa” by @MaximBady. No clue if that’s the original or a repost, just the copy of the video I found when I went looking. Sorry it’s not working for you.

But also, quite agreed on your first para

First of all, relevant username. Second of all… to quote a litle youtube vid I love^[1], “You are not wrong. But also, you are very wrong.”

Education is one of the critical tools to fix this, although that will take 2-3 gererations of hard work and full control of the process, so probably even longer.

Education, however, is not the short-term tool, it is one of the long-term tools. But it is one of the tools. More of a preventative of it taking root again after we root it out.

how you’re going to get them better wages, better education, better infrastructure, better healthcare, etc.

Doesn’t work when all most of them want is for the people in charge to hurt the “right” people.

Fascism is not the result of some nebulous, nationwide hoodwink,

I’m a progressive. I see all those issues and my response is to vote as progressively as I can.

Why is it that viewers of Fox “News” and consumers of right-wing radio, who all preach some nevulous, nationwide hoodwink to the point that a third of our country is living in a parallel universe - why is it the issues that drive them to be insane and embrace fascism?

I think your premise is wildly off-base.

That said, I agree with your last para - except when things go bad enough the fascists start to doubt, that’s when you have a chance to try and engage and convert a few out of the cult.

Just fucking vote.

You are correct.

However, this doesn’t work so well if certain groups of people are disenfranchised at a higher rate. It doesn’t work if ballots are stolen and manipulated. It doesn’t work if judges stop counts or recounts of votes. It doesn’t work if there are fewer polling stations or drop boxes in certain areas. It doesn’t work with gerrymandering. It certainly doesn’t work with propaganda that encourages voter apathy.

This would significantly reduce the scope for concerted disinformation

You don’t think if Lemmy became large enough to be a target that it wouldn’t be targeted with overwhelming bots and paid people posting propaganda?

I’d like to borrow your rose-coloured glasses, please. It’d be nice to have such a rosy worldview for a moment.

Although at the same time, enshrined in there is the idea that some are worth about 60% as much as others.

Not to defend the racist fascists, mind.

Worse, in the examples they give, the legislatures and/or judiciaries stood against the dictators.

Here, we have decades of propaganda fueled by the oligarchs that has removed the world view of a third of our population from reality, and it’s not just Trump - the Republican party is in on the deal, from Congress to SCOTUS.

It’s not the same battle. It’s not the same order of magnitude. It’s at least two orders of magnitude harder.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t fight; rather, we should fight all the harder.

But that’s why I’m not certain partition / civil war type solutions are off the table.

The point of the phrasing is not “this is a fair description of what was happening” but more “even if it was as bad as this, it’s still bullshit”. So you’re right, but that’s why I phrased it that way.

The solution is to have so many people monitoring that they give up counter-monitoring.

Yeah, although sometimes ya do gotta let off a little steam… but you are right.

Does he think

I’m going to stop you there. :)

And even the ones who are not are almost all beholden to our oligarchs and serve at their pleasure.

I’m more than happy not to charge her rent.

…that sounds creepy, but I just mean I’m glad she’s in politics fighting the progressive fight, and I support her. lol

We’ve managed some progress. As much racism is a huge issue and on the increase, overall minorities today are a bit better off. Lynchings are a bit less common; sundown cities far fewer in number. Haven’t seen segregated water fountains or anything like that in a bit. Although there’s certainly still redlining and plenty of inequality…

Women have done even better - as recently as 1974 being unable to open a bank account without husband’s signature. While there’s still plenty of inequality there as well, that situation has improved even more.

I certainly don’t want to minimize the successes, it’s just that the increases in bigotry that we’ve seen in many areas just feels worse because it felt like we were making progress, only to realize that it is truly a slog and struggle.

This, but also it was more complicated as well: There were conservative and liberal contingencies in both parties, but after the big flip, conservatives went with or stay with Republicans, and progressives gravitated towards Democrats.

I’m 50, and I grew up after the flip, so it’s weird to think about how it must have been before. I think that’s the only reason things worked out as well as they did after WWII. Somehow we managed to push back against the racists and make some progress (Civil Rights Act, etc.) and even kinda pushed them into the racism closet for a while there. But boy howdy they exploded back out when the Tea Party took off and Obama was elected. But by that point, the Republians had already been working on attacking our democracy for a couple of decades.

The Southern Strategy was one big waterfall moment; another was when the Republicans partnered with evangelicals. I think the first big moment when partisanship really started to show its ugly head was the attack on Clinton and the attempt to impeach. Not that he didn’t abuse his office for blowjobs, but that really was not impeachable - and they didn’t get him for that, they got him on what was really a technicality. But after that, it feels like the gloves came off and partisanship was the primary tool of the Republicans.