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Oh I see.

It would have been nice to have that in the post description for those of us who aren’t as willing to hand over data (even anonymized) for certain uses.

Thanks for locating it!

What’s the purpose of your research? Curiosity? A student thesis? A professional paper? Are you a dev actively working on improving the fediverse?

Okay but seriously, what is this pedantry even? I wasn’t trying to put forth some all-encompassing thesis of every reason people might pirate, nor do I accept that “needs to be in on all the current memes” is some reason one is entitled to media. And neither point has anything to do with the discussion we’re having with OP.

Bizarre as heck tangent.

Your comparison is still really, really unclear. Are you comparing the consumption of “extra products” for vegans vs vegetarians to the consumption of “extra products” for piracy?

If so: Do you really not understand that limited physical demand differs from unlimited digital demand? If a vegetarian eats, idk, an egg a day… that’s an extra 365 eggs that had to be produced and were paid for, thus supporting the industry, when you could have hypothetically decreased demand and possibly caused a drop in production. Whereas the media consumed by pirates incur neither profit nor cost (in that if we assume they would never have paid for those goods in the first place, it isn’t a lost sale). There is no production cost for there to be 1 sold copy and 1 pirated copy vs 1 sold copy only.

Though tbh, I’m just devil’s advocating the vegan position here. I really think you had a handful of bad encounters with militant vegans and assume the majority of the threadiverse thinks like that. And, well… we don’t? What even is this “lemmy culture”? The amount of confusion and responses that aren’t addressing the point you meant to make should show you that most of us are not engaging with this on the line of thought you assumed we would.

Hey man, I’m willing to be honest about what I do. I’m not entitled to consume that media just because it exists, and I’m not going to beat around the bush about that.

I don’t really understand why you’re comparing these two things? One is a group of people refraining from consumption of certain goods for personal reasons - health, ethics, climate impact, whatever. The other is a group of people consuming arguably more goods than they (we tbh) deserve since we’re not willing or able to pay for it for one reason or another.

A better analogy would be comparing piracy to… I don’t know, a veg-eater of whatever type who still enjoys the taste of bacon and resorts to stealing it because it’s better to hurt the meat industry than to pay? It’s a product that person really doesn’t really need and absolutely would have never paid for, yet the person still wants it and obtains it in a way that hurts the industry.

(The analogy doesn’t hold up since stealing physical goods has a different impact than distributing digital copies, but it’s the best I’ve got off the cuff)

E: okay, after reading your other comments, I’m both confident this didn’t address the point you wanted and confident I don’t really understand your deal well enough to do so. Both of these groups have some members who have a problem with industry practices and others who are into their chosen lifestyle for other reasons. It seems like you’ve made some odd decisions about which groups are most prevalent among each and are framing your premise around that, and I don’t think we’re going to see eye-to-eye on it when the premise is Like This.

Or are you trying to say veganism should be more widely accepted because “DRM is wrong” is roughly equivalent to “animal suffering is wrong” re: “industry bad”?

I guess either they’re slow or no one on kbin.social subscribes to them to let them filter into the All feed, then, since I don’t keep the NSFW filter toggled on.

Only 22 so far.

Mostly overly spammy meme or lolrandum hotspots (196) and discussion/meme communities and magazines centered on demographics I’m not part of and conditions I don’t have (no hate for those groups ofc, just leaving them alone and letting them do their thing while also pruning content I fundamentally can’t engage with).

I used to block non-English communities and magazines, but kbin’s language filter started working quite well sometime after I signed up, so I removed all those.

I think my instance probably defederated porn since I never see it? Meh. I have nothing against it whatsoever, but there’s a time and a place - I have a separate lemmynsfw account for when I want that.

You snark, but unironically yes? Obviously?

If you think the professors that will be left will be the highest quality instead of the longest tenured, you’re being willfully ignorant. And that loss will ripple down through every generation those passionate and skilled educators would have taught. Plus, “the olds” or whatever have families (which include young people) that would be suffering even more directly to boot.

E: I see we’re doing the whole “disregard the overall point and only snark about the lowest hanging fruit you can intentionally take out of context” thing. Into the void with you, redditor.

But do we really want to maintain the current status quo?

I think if you read my comment again, you’d find I acknowledge things need to change, I just think your proposed solution is bad.

I can imagine ways to accomplish these goals more gradually, with less complete and utter destruction, but I don’t think someone who proposed something so extreme from the word go really wants to discuss the moderate stance, so I’ll leave it with you as a thought exercise.

You’re talking about changes that will take a generation or more to settle. While these things are in flux, professors will lose their jobs, research grants and budgets will be gutted, and educational assets will be liquidized (imagine museums being sold off to private collections - this is incredibly damaging to the collective knowledge base). Meanwhile, the generations that wait for prices to come down will be left having to educate themselves on the internet, which not everyone has the motivational drive to do or the ability to spot which sources are providing reliable, accurate material they can learn from.

I get that something’s gotta give, but banning loans altogether ain’t it unless your entire goal is to turn Gen A’s moniker into Ass-Backwards.

The standard “come prepared with a good question” is simply not as hard for a savvy user to meet as you’re making it out; certainly it’s far easier than scrying between the lines and derailing the topic on purpose, and it strikes me as arrogant that anyone would trust their own attempts at mind-reading more than the clear words on the page. I’ve got a very good idea why you’re taking this all so personally that you’re replying to it three weeks after any of it was active.

Well, at least the very fact that you’re taking it personally means it dug deep enough that you’re aware it’s a problem, even if you still have a bit of a journey before you accept it needs a change.

Speaking only for myself, if I want to know the best way to do Y, I ask about how I can do Y. If I’m at the stage where I’ve moved on to asking about how to do X, there’s a reason I want to approach the problem that specific way – personal preference, limitations of my setup, learning a new approach, whatever else – and I’m not there to get into some asinine argument defending my choice, I’m there to find out how to do X.

So while I’m well aware of the thought process behind it, I will never not find it incredibly disrespectful to disregard the question being asked in order to make snarky little guesses at intent and answer a totally different question.

Couple corrections on the rep technicalities: Upvotes didn’t count for rep at first, but they have for a few weeks now. For mastodon integration, upvote = favorite(like). Reduces and “downvotes” are not separate functions; a downvote IS a “reduce” and it’s always had a rep impact.

No app, but its native web interface is pretty competent.

If you know what lemmy is, you already know what kbin is. It’s essentially the same idea, just with more integration with the microblog side of the fediverse. Communities (“magazines”) also have a microblog tab which kbin users can post to, which is great for informal posts that don’t really warrant their own threads (“I tried (product) and I’m really enjoying it so far,” or “the latest episode of (show) was great,” or “(boss) in (game) is BS”). This tab also collects posts from mastodon users that use hashtags defined by magazine mods.

The largest instance is at kbin.social, though it might be best to spread out a bit; kbin is still pretty new and there’s been a rush to the main dev’s server in the snoopocalypse.

Secure, self-hosted services take knowledge to set up. Everyone wants a plug-and-play solution.

it’s just a way to easily disagree with someone without having to go into depth in the comments.

This is literally not what downvotes were ever meant to be for.

Downvotes on a main post = This post doesn’t fit this community.

Downvotes in comments = This post is off-topic, spreading misinformation or hate, and/or is actively hindering discussion (insults, assholery, etc).

Everyone has a bad day now and then. It sounds like a lot is eating at you. You might be dealing with more than your fair share people who haven’t gotten the help they need to learn why they’re twats and how it hurts them and everyone around them. I know I was a worse person until I figured out how I got the way I was a few years ago; it took me til the back half of the 30s to start to be better.

I hope you find some peace for yourself.

People are individuals, all going through their own journeys. You might grow and change for the better if you’re able to figure out how to be the best you, or you might change for the worse if made bitter by a life where it feels like no one is on your side and you have to take your due since it will never be given.

The important thing is: (1) People are twats for a reason, and (2) You can’t fix those reasons for other people and make them less twatty, so the only thing you can control is how you handle less than ideal interactions. (Tip: most well-adjusted people don’t jump to “lose hope in humanity”; the fact that you have means there’s work you can do here.)

See, the problem here is that you’re treating an off-the-cuff casual explanation as a “thesis.” Please don’t bring this absurd habit over here, where people have to feel compelled to cover absolutely every interpretation and hedge every outlier for fear of getting nitpicked to hell and back. Literally no one enjoyed that environment.