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Apologies if it came off that way. Truly meant that as a generalization and pretty much include myself in the snark if it matters at this point…
Apologies if it came off that way. Truly meant that as a generalization and pretty much include myself in the snark if it matters at this point…
not some arm chair IANAL basement dweller
BTW, I never called you this. I was making an arbitrary comparison to any number of us having a conversation about the ruling and saying “not some arm chair IANAL basement dweller” compared to “a sitting SCOTUS jurist who dissented” in terms of “we better pay attention”
I think you were downvoted because your post implies you agree with the majority. You have clarified it by saying:
[you agree with] conclusion that it was the wrong ruling.
Probably should have started with that.
I responded more directly since your ire seems to be pointed at me.
was this ruling incorrect
Yes. The decision is fundamentally flawed and if the US survives this, it will be discussed in law reviews for decades to come.
If so, how do you square that with the majority of justices ruling that way
Are you presuming that a reactionary majority in SCOTUS ruling something squares with “correct”? Setting that aside for a second, I’ll answer it by saying their decision makes it legal for the president to commit crimes in an official capacity, and that decision is wholesale incorrect by virtually any standard other than “Conservative Party go Brrrrr”. Say that out loud a few times: “it’s legal for the President to commit crimes in an official capacity”. This is defacto opening to kingship / authoritarianism. If you go read the entire constitution (it’s pretty short) and you’ll recognize that these same 6 jurists cannot back this decision up with anything remotely resembling what the constitution says. It goes against all of the language holding our government officials accountable to the law. So yes… I square it quite easily by saying that all 6 of the majority decision jurists are wrong and just because it’s a majority doesn’t make them right.
Or do you as a fellow armchair ianal basement dweller get special privileges when it comes to your legal opinions vs that if scotus judges?
This argument doesn’t go as hard as you think. My whole point centered around the fact that you shouldn’t pay attention to me, but that you should pay attention to the dissent WITHIN THE SUPREME COURT itself. My opinion here truly doesn’t matter (which I suppose negates my first to responses above, but you asked…) but Sotomayor’s legal opinion surely matters. That was my point.
All I’m saying is that if I’m POTUS and I’m considering a questionable “official act” i know who I’m going to to clear it first.
The SC put it on the lower courts, which means any challenge to “what’s an official act” will just come back to the SC upon appeal. The conservative majority can choose to hear or not and if they do, hear any challenge, they can rule along party lines in favor. Sotomayor is saying, rightly, that other than a mild delay, this is effectively a rubber stamp for the President to commit any crime while in office. Further, my argument is that if Trump gains office again, he won’t bother clearing anything - he’ll go straight into persecuting anyone he deems disloyal. He’s already saying Kinzinger and Biden and Liz Cheney should meet a military tribunal (though there is absolutely zero jurisdiction). In any authoritarian country, this means at least life imprisonment if it doesn’t mean a firing squad. And he can do it and THEN see what the SC says. He’s not going to clear anything because he knows they are in his pocket, and he can use their own decision to eliminate them if they don’t play ball on ruling what is official or not. The SC may think they have power right now, but take this forward a year from “First day dictator Donny” and tell me the Supreme Court can do shit? They’ve created their own monster.
As well as one might imagine!
Did you read the fucking dissent? That’s a sitting SC Justice saying that quote, not some arm chair IANAL basement dweller:
“When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune,” Sotomayor wrote.
If one of the dissenting justices thinks it likely, we better pay attention. The whole “They were very clear that non-official acts are not covered.” is a pillar built on sinking sand - what defines non-official becomes subjective real fast. Biden could assassinate every conservative justice on SCOTUS and get his own in there to make it all legal. Threats of the same to any in congress who won’t play ball.
And if someone can’t imagine Biden doing it (I can’t), I’m thinking that there are quite a few citizens who believe Trump abso-fucking-lutely would pull that shit. With a majority on SCOTUS already he could just start going after political rivals and keep SCOTUS themselves in check with threats of the same. If SCOTUS has done anything they’ve painted themselves in a corner and only Congress can unfuck us with impeachment (as unlikely as that seems!)
Nextcloud needs to port over some of the old OC Documentation. Their own docs make all kinds of references and it’s always something esoteric.
GOP putting the “Conservation” back into “Conservative” again…
/s just in case
[Narrator’s voice] “that hope was unfounded”
I’ll just leave this here…
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2023-06-28/trump-believe-me-i-was-lying
If you’re going to repeat russian propaganda - it’s TWO fucking candidates blind to genocide and the one who is now the first ever US President convicted of a felony has repeatedly made comments that he wouldn’t even hold back on Gaza and likely would accelerate it to “finish the job”. Biden is no fucking hero here, but Trump is objectively worse on Israel-Palestine if you are a single issue voter. And Isreal-Palestine generally doesn’t break the top 5 for single issue voters in the US, so please… please… stop with this.
No offense, but then “happening” would have been more appropriate. The other commenter is correct about “happened” being past tense as in… it’s over. Or you could have used “has happened” which leaves a bit of room for future violence. But this is pedantry at it’s best - you’re intent having been acknowledged. :)
[Insert “The What?”] meme here
Except you did reply to this. With ad hominem attacks of being emotional and annoying. Instead of with any kind of counter argument. All supposedly because I used some caps for emphasis. lol
Show us the facts - I don’t care about opinions (including my own). But… here’s some info for you. Perhaps I can change your position…
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-the-anthropocene.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/06/08/oil-gas-methane-house-science-permian/
No? Still think regulating this is an overreach? I’m not even saying we can magically get to net-zero carbon immediately. I use NG for heat and gasoline in my vehicle. I’m no hypocrite - I am making investments in efficiency and will eventually be all electric with a large solar setup. This takes time and money and not everyone can do that. Oil and Gas have their place in the transition to renewable power.
We must regulate an industry that we continue to prop up with 100s of billions in subsidies and which get super special treatment by our lawmakers due to outsized lobbying and coushy jobs waiting in the wings for enablers after leaving government. On its face, the regulation proposed looks to correct for decades of (self) under-reported emissions. They’re being asked to play fairly. But listen, if you can show where those regulations are “poorly designed” I’ll most certainly read it if it comes from a neutral 3rd party who isn’t paid by the NG companies or their lobbying proxies. Like I said above, the climate town video actually does a great job explaining - certainly better than I have. So there - is it that you won’t respond or that you can’t?
Vastly overestimate? You mean against their self-reported and self-serving emissions monitoring numbers? What a crock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oL4SFwkkw has a very well researched (and entertaining for this sort of topic) video. You show us all this “legitimate proof” of actual real-world emissions and we’ll see who funded it and when. Oh, and it better be current because we have satellite emissions tracking of the entire world which show JUST how full of shit industry numbers have been. Methane is 80x worse as a greeenhouse case than carbon dioxide. We’re leaking it globally at MASSIVE rates. We should be making it so expensive to have emissions that every petro company on the planet seals those leaks. At least when it’s burnt it’s mostly CO or CO2 and H20 emissions.
Go ahead - let’s see who is defining the “real-world data” estimates, who funds that research, and maybe then I’ll consider believing the “softening” paragraph at the end that this is somehow just a thoughtless over-reach because the current administration couldn’t afford to wait. This isn;'t government overreach, this is a planet dying from greenhouse effects and in the midst of the anthropocene extinction (i.e. human activity killing species all over). If we don’t curtail the petro industry, then WE. ARE. FUCKED.
SLAMMED!
You’re not wrong, but there’s no incentive for the people operating in the current system to change that system.
Exactly - so people like Ahmed Moor are either not voting for Biden or voting for Trump, when those two are equivalent. The same Trump who encouraged Israel to “finish the job”. He’d be thrilled to glass Palestine.
I keep seeing this same messaging and can only conclude Russian influence to put out this message as wide and frequently as possible. If you are brown or you are muslim or an immigrant and not a White CIS man, Trump HATES you. He thinks you are scum. You might disagree with Biden, you might think he should cut off Israel, and you might think not enough is being done to earn your vote, but your only reasonable alternative, Trump, is demonstrably worse FOR THE SAME REASONS YOU ARE WITHOLDING YOUR VOTE FROM BIDEN.
Toobin Tuggin’ seems like a nice new euphamism…
CUCK!
Fuck Oprah. She’s an out of touch Billionaire who’s commitment to junk science set Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil loose on the world and gave Jenny McArthy a platform for her anti-vax autism bullshit. She’s absolutely not who we want running for president.