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Cake day: September 8th, 2023

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  • Hey guys, this right here is a super valuable point to address and really strikes straight to the heart of the ability of a system like this to give the illusion of choice. People absolutely will still think, despite this, they are still in control and we need to address it not dismiss it.

    I’m undoing the downvote on this comment, it absolutely is a big part of the conversation, even if you think it’s naive.








  • If Biden is on the ballot, I will vote for him. I also want him off.

    But, frankly, we need to scare the pants off the Democratic party if there is going to be any chance they change their behavior.

    Where are the five great younger candidates they have have been fostering to be ready for something like this? Nowhere, because they keep putting all their effort into one entrenched candidate and then force them through no matter what. Look how disastrous it was when they kept pushing Hillary when Bernie was doing so well, she lost. Now so many people are saying “no” to Biden, what should we expect will happen?

    If history is our judge, we’re going to lose, whether we can afford to or not. Because even if we supported Biden right now with solidarity, a lot of people are going to not vote for him, whether we like it or not.

    Would it be better if the Democratic party didn’t see how unhappy people were and we all pretended it would be ok and told them we would just vote for any candidate they give us no matter how bad?






  • Every state has it’s own laws and every set of equipment is a little different, so each county can be a little different too , but the basics are that you pull a few scan batches, count them by hand, and then compare to what the computer says. If the two ever don’t match, you know you have a problem and you count again to make sure the problem wasn’t the humans recounting. Then you check to make sure they weren’t scanned wrong. If you still have a problem after that, the auditor should be calling the secretary of state as fast as they can and I would guess the goal would be to get a new tabulator in there ASAP to start fresh on a completely different system.

    With regard to machines with no paper trail, counties can choose to be as OCD or laid back as the law and their elected official (the auditor) wants them to be; the auditor is theoretically there to represent the interests of the people and make sure the system is trustworthy.

    I’m my county the April election was small enough that they ended up recounting every single ballot as part off the audit since it was only about 200 ballots for one taxing district.

    You should also be able to observe if you want to, contact your county and ask how to get on the list and you can observe first-hand exactly how they do it.

    I’ll also point out before I go, that the audits of the machine show that the system looks to be working right, but when you batch audit a hand count all you can do is verify that one batch because humans are not a consistent process.


  • They couldn’t even hand count an election of 127 people correctly. Imagine how big the errors would have been with thousands of votes.

    The fact is that this isn’t being counted by full time well-trained accountants, but by temporary and on-call employees at best, and lots of them are retirees, who can afford not to have a full-time gig.

    Hand counting requires more blind faith trust than a machine you can easily audit at any time.

    It’s not just about the speed, it’s about an inhuman level of consistency and memory that the machine provides.