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  • Who is we? Plenty of people support this.

    Context: US political polarization is too severe to be contained. It’s too severe for non-partisan organizations and institutions to truly exist. These aren’t political differences competing in the marketplace of ideas. It’s opposing cultures that are more invested in their side winning than in the system that keeps all of this mostly non-violent (democracy).

    In this case: Populations shift, maps have to be periodically redrawn by people. Those people will wield political power whether they want to or not, so controlling who gets that power and what they do with it is a natural incentive.

    Many countries do these maps in a mostly non-partisan way, but that is only possible when the majority of people believe the system of democracy to be more important than any one (potentially bad) outcome. That is simply not the case in the US. The power to redraw maps must exist and at the level of political polarization that exists in the US, that power will ultimately be corrupted for partisan ends.





  • It’s worth understanding the causation here. Was Joe Biden a staunch Zionist because of AIPAC funding? Or did AIPAC fund Biden knowing he was a staunch Zionist in order to ensure he would win?

    To me, especially post Oct-7th, Biden seemed like a true believer. He seemed to believe in the Zionist project in the form of unconditional support of the Israeli government (no matter who was in power there) as part of his personal sense of morality. As in, don’t steal , don’t lie, support isreal. It’s why he wasn’t able to even try to reign in Israel no matter how much Bibi humiliated him or openly colluded with Trump or whatever.

    Having a geopolitical stance as a part of your basic personal morality (as opposed to a reasoned stance based on available information) is of course incredibly stupid and dangerous. But that’s my read on Biden.

    Meanwhile a guy like Cory Booker seems to have just knowingly sold out to AIPAC and is now committed to that position. AIPAC is designed to create an easy path for American politicians in terms of a certain degree if good PR in the press and campaign funding. Many politicians simply took that deal. Biden never struck me as one of these, especially not at the end.








  • You like many Americans are trying to solve cultural rot by putting in more rules. “If only we had a rule that ___” this wouldn’t have happened. That’s not going to solve this. Being a congress-person is a skill. It requires actual skill, and it takes time to get to know how to be most effective. You can put in this rule if you want, and it might solve the problem you’re targeting, but it will create many more. You can’t solve problems caused by cultural rot (literally tens of millions of voters being okay with this) by putting in more administrative rules. Ultimately , democracies grant the people the power to destroy democracy. That is what the US is choosing.



  • I am not sure how abstinence only being the only acceptable option is any better than it being the best option.

    The distinction is important because perpetuating their only acceptable option despite it being demonstrably ineffective indicates that child welfare is not the primacy concern in play.

    Again being Pro-life does not necessarily mean that they will vote for dismantling social services.

    And yet, despite it not being necessarily true it is absolutely true in every practical sense in reality.

    I simply don’t understand why you insist on assuming that they are lying.

    I simply don’t understand why you insist on taking political talking points as 100 percent sincere instead of looking at the tangible actions being taken in this space.

    Is that not what you are doing? You are blaming them for voting how they do.

    You don’t even know what to do with this definition after quoting it. If course I “blame” them for voting how they do. Is assigning someone responsibility for their actions “demonizing” them? Lol. You’re lost in the sauce bruh.

    Ultimately I think we have reached that 3rd situation. I have decided that nothing I say is going to change your mind on this and am choosing to walk away.

    Other countries are able to have this discussion in far more healthy and productive ways. Instead of being content with your one insight that prolife and pro-choice are talking past each other, I suggest you ask yourself why that is, and why this positioning of the discussion is basically unique to the US. There’s a whole wide world out there.