“A loan on friendly terms allows America, who is deeply in debt, a chance to get our money back and changes the paradigm of how we help others,” Graham said. “President Trump is right to insist that we think outside the box.”
Graham, usually a national security hawk who previously had supported aid to Ukraine, voted against it.
General rule of thumb, Repubs don’t like supporting Ukraine because Uncle Vlad indirectly (or directly sometimes) lines their pockets. His spending on the war there is impacting their ability to live a cush life here.
Of course, there’s also the incentive of funding the military industrial complex which also lines politicians’ pockets.
If I were to hazard a guess, Graham is trying to navigate a position that’s acceptable to both establishment republicans and Trump republicans. I don’t think it’s that he’s a Russian asset so much as that he’s playing a political game. Personally, of course, I despise him. But I do stand by the article being shit even if his support for Ukraine is purely performative.
Yeah, the article is shit. I see a bunch of articles that are just a vomit of reddit posts these days, and it just makes me die a little on the inside every time. WTF is journalism anymore?
Nope I completely made it up! Certainly Lindsey Graham will never change his stance on Ukraine, that would be a silly thing to think given his historic track record of staying on the same side of issues. I should continue reading and believing things that Lindsey Graham says
I understand that this whole thread is just about repeating unsubstaniated bullshit about a shitty person because he’s a shitty person, you don’t have to keep telling me that.
I guess the difference is that I care about whether the things I’m saying are actually true, even when I’m talking about someone I personally dislike.
Oh but you and I agree. We both love defending Lindsey Graham and giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s earned it. Keep on fighting the good fight brother
Well, but now I’m not so sure. Maybe we should start just embracing whatever things “feel true,” whether or not they correspond to reality. Like, we have these facts that are supported by evidence, but what if we had, let’s call them, “alternative facts.” Maybe what really matters is how true something feels to us, a sort of “truthiness,” if you will. If we untether ourselves from evidence, think of all the things we could say! Like, what if we said Trump was operating a sex trafficking ring in the basement of a pizza shop, and accused anyone pushing back or asking for evidence of “defending Trump?”
I call it, “Blue MAGA.” I know you’re all about making sure claims are based on evidence even when they’re about people you don’t like, but I really think you might like that idea.
One point of clarification friend. I never said Lindsey does not support Ukraine. I said his reason for supporting anything is always self-serving, which there is mountains of evidence of. You could wave your hand and do the centrist “whatabout” all politicians being self-serving. But the fact is that Lindsey Graham is one of the most obvious modern examples of flip flopping on issues to benefit himself. If you have a counter example I’d love to read about it.
My original point is that it really doesn’t matter what someone like Lindsey says or supports today, because it will change with the wind tomorrow (when he’s up for election usually)
You took what I said and made a beautiful little Blue MAGA strawman out of it.
Right, so you’re just going to gloss over all your sarcastic replies mocking me and characteristing me as “defending Graham” for pointing out that there’s no evidence that his support for Ukraine is insincere.
I’m very confused why you think my username would indicate that I’m a bot. I am, however, entirely unsurprised that you’d make that allegation without a shred of evidence, as evidence doesn’t really seem to be your thing.
I picked it because I’d recently gotten into the Ace Attorney games, and also like to ground my beliefs in evidence and expect other to as well. For a while, I was channelling Phoenix Wright’s voice, as a bit, but then I got bored of it.
If I am a bot, then whoever programmed me deserves a promotion, because I think I sound very human. But I’m not really sure how I could go about proving that I’m not a bot. Let’s see, punching Nazis is cool and you should do it, does that work? Ah, but maybe I’m a bot with safety restrictions turned off. Probably there’s nothing I could say to prove it to you, it’s utterly unfalsifiable.
At that point, how do I know you’re not a bot? Maybe this whole thread full of bots! Oooooohhhhh~ spooky spooky. Can we return to reality now, please?
Got it, so you don’t have any evidence.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/22-senate-republicans-defied-trump-voted-aid-ukraine/story?id=107193651
Graham is a flip-flopping spineless coward. You can tell that because they put a ‘R’ behind his name.
Interesting, thank you. It appears there is evidence that he’s not fully supportive of Ukraine.
General rule of thumb, Repubs don’t like supporting Ukraine because Uncle Vlad indirectly (or directly sometimes) lines their pockets. His spending on the war there is impacting their ability to live a cush life here.
Of course, there’s also the incentive of funding the military industrial complex which also lines politicians’ pockets.
If I were to hazard a guess, Graham is trying to navigate a position that’s acceptable to both establishment republicans and Trump republicans. I don’t think it’s that he’s a Russian asset so much as that he’s playing a political game. Personally, of course, I despise him. But I do stand by the article being shit even if his support for Ukraine is purely performative.
Yeah, the article is shit. I see a bunch of articles that are just a vomit of reddit posts these days, and it just makes me die a little on the inside every time. WTF is journalism anymore?
Nope I completely made it up! Certainly Lindsey Graham will never change his stance on Ukraine, that would be a silly thing to think given his historic track record of staying on the same side of issues. I should continue reading and believing things that Lindsey Graham says
I understand that this whole thread is just about repeating unsubstaniated bullshit about a shitty person because he’s a shitty person, you don’t have to keep telling me that.
I guess the difference is that I care about whether the things I’m saying are actually true, even when I’m talking about someone I personally dislike.
Oh but you and I agree. We both love defending Lindsey Graham and giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s earned it. Keep on fighting the good fight brother
The downvoters think you’re being serious. Lol!
Well, but now I’m not so sure. Maybe we should start just embracing whatever things “feel true,” whether or not they correspond to reality. Like, we have these facts that are supported by evidence, but what if we had, let’s call them, “alternative facts.” Maybe what really matters is how true something feels to us, a sort of “truthiness,” if you will. If we untether ourselves from evidence, think of all the things we could say! Like, what if we said Trump was operating a sex trafficking ring in the basement of a pizza shop, and accused anyone pushing back or asking for evidence of “defending Trump?”
I call it, “Blue MAGA.” I know you’re all about making sure claims are based on evidence even when they’re about people you don’t like, but I really think you might like that idea.
One point of clarification friend. I never said Lindsey does not support Ukraine. I said his reason for supporting anything is always self-serving, which there is mountains of evidence of. You could wave your hand and do the centrist “whatabout” all politicians being self-serving. But the fact is that Lindsey Graham is one of the most obvious modern examples of flip flopping on issues to benefit himself. If you have a counter example I’d love to read about it.
My original point is that it really doesn’t matter what someone like Lindsey says or supports today, because it will change with the wind tomorrow (when he’s up for election usually)
You took what I said and made a beautiful little Blue MAGA strawman out of it.
Right, so you’re just going to gloss over all your sarcastic replies mocking me and characteristing me as “defending Graham” for pointing out that there’s no evidence that his support for Ukraine is insincere.
Good talk.
Oh I get it now, you can’t read :(
A classic finisher. Just put it at the end of any argument and declare victory, instant win, no counter, Riot plz nerf.
The things you’re saying are not true.
For example?
That Graham genuinely supports Ukraine.
I just noticed your username. It checks out, and everything makes sense now. Are you an AI bot?
I’m very confused why you think my username would indicate that I’m a bot. I am, however, entirely unsurprised that you’d make that allegation without a shred of evidence, as evidence doesn’t really seem to be your thing.
I picked it because I’d recently gotten into the Ace Attorney games, and also like to ground my beliefs in evidence and expect other to as well. For a while, I was channelling Phoenix Wright’s voice, as a bit, but then I got bored of it.
If I am a bot, then whoever programmed me deserves a promotion, because I think I sound very human. But I’m not really sure how I could go about proving that I’m not a bot. Let’s see, punching Nazis is cool and you should do it, does that work? Ah, but maybe I’m a bot with safety restrictions turned off. Probably there’s nothing I could say to prove it to you, it’s utterly unfalsifiable.
At that point, how do I know you’re not a bot? Maybe this whole thread full of bots! Oooooohhhhh~ spooky spooky. Can we return to reality now, please?
You’re a troll bot. AI bots can be very eloquent.
As predicted lol.