• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    That’s not unusual for Americans, though. Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon… Americans have been putting up turds to the Oval Office since President Kennedy’s term abruptly ended.

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      That’s not unusual for Americans, though. Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon

      All of those guys were way more respected than Trump. And of the rest, all of the others not Bush jr were way more respected than Bush jr.

      The current period IS very unusual for how badly our reputation has fallen. Although you could also say America’s reputation around the world was unusually high from 1945-2000.

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      3 months ago

      Turns out Kennedy too was more of a turd than most people suspected at the time. Not in the same league with your list, but still a real mess once you know enough about him.

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        3 months ago

        Turd on turd violence. But it did seem like Kennedy was ready to fix Truman’s mistake in kicking off the Cold War.

        And then…

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          Once you read enough about post-WWII Soviet military doctrine, you’ll realize that the Cold War is the reason the Hot War didn’t happen. Not like Vietnam and so on, but real hot.

          Why? Because that doctrine was quite simple. Soviet ground forces after its adoption sucked donkey balls because they were intended to mop up what remains after nuking Europe. BMP-1 sucked donkey balls because it wasn’t an armored transport, it was a protected transport. To rapidly cross rivers and swamps on irradiated terrain, while kinda protecting people inside from radiation, not from bullets even. The whole reason USSR’s ground forces after WWII had a reduced peacetime component, but huge mobilization plans and mass warfare approaches, is that they were expected to die from radiation a lot, so why bank on quality.

          EDIT: And contrary to the common perception, even in WWII human waves were not the tactic of choice of USSR’s military. So this was a conscious change, an enormous reform. I can say I can’t avoid the feeling of huge respect for people who would really tackle the numbers and warfare theory to produce such a plan to nuke half the world and possibly emerge as a victor. However, the reforms after that plan made already corrupt Soviet bureaucracy even more corrupt, and discarded experienced and principled people, recent world war veterans, from the military in droves, which long-term made USSR’s failure certain. Before the post-war rebuilding and Khruschev some of its institutions and systems were still respected. Stalin’s regime was horrible, but it was also less corrupt. After Stalin’s death and the following events, nobody managed to say “we failed and we should sit and think”. Well, Kosygin’s reforms which were not completed, growth of MIC, use of soldiers and students as workforce, slow decay, KGB thieves\assassins and degenerate fascists becoming the ruling class since late 70s, the rest is known.