Seems super easy… You mail in your ballot but forget to sign the back. Here in Oregon, the ballot is sent back to you for correction. You still have to return it on time, but you are allowed to correct it
They want to make it in PA so that the ballot is just pitched.
Which is a joke anyway. Signature verification is something that should be abandoned. People don’t care about their signature anymore. Plus, do the people doing the verification get any sort of training at all? Has there ever even been a study to show how accurate such comparisons are?
fully agree, my signature is different every time I sign, my penmanship sucks so I never have it the same, I’ve never been questioned on it, likely due to the fact I don’t have a natural signature
Though it was a few years ago, as someone who has worked the polls, here is what I recall about the poll operation and ballot collecting process:
In MA, absentee/early ballots are sent out with barcodes that can be mapped back to a central DB. Afaik a maximum of one early ballot is sent out to any given voter. If you lose it, you’re walking to your polling station on election day. The mailed/dropped off ballots are scanned so that they’re routed to the correct voting precinct; they’re given to us on Election Day to run through with the in-person ballots.
On Election Day, we sit there with registered voter lists (the list is sharded, not duplicated - i.e. someone works a-f, someone else works g-k, etc.); people come in, tell us who they are (no, no id is checked, but they do need to give us a full, correct address that matches their stated name); they are marked off as “voted” on the list. Voters are provided with a ballot once they have been found on the list and marked off.
Absentee ballots are run through the machines throughout the day; for every single ballot, we match it to a name on the list, and . If there are any duplicate ballots, that is caught at the voter list checking phase, and is flagged thusly for any necessary follow-up (confirmation, disambiguation, or legal action as necessary) and the extra ballot is set aside (whichever one we come across second).
I’m pretty sure we had zero duplicates when I did it in the 2020 presidential (I feel like I would have remembered that, considering the political context at the time), and iirc we processed something in the neighborhood of 10,000ish ballots.
Seems super easy… You mail in your ballot but forget to sign the back. Here in Oregon, the ballot is sent back to you for correction. You still have to return it on time, but you are allowed to correct it
They want to make it in PA so that the ballot is just pitched.
I imagine this is to protect voting rights no matter who the vote was for?
Correct, the signature is on the outside of the ballot envelope so the actual vote isn’t accessible until the signature is verified.
Not trying to take a stab at ya, but is it verified or is it just a check that it exists on the envelope?
When you vote, in person or by mail, your signature is compared with the registration signature on file.
Which is a joke anyway. Signature verification is something that should be abandoned. People don’t care about their signature anymore. Plus, do the people doing the verification get any sort of training at all? Has there ever even been a study to show how accurate such comparisons are?
fully agree, my signature is different every time I sign, my penmanship sucks so I never have it the same, I’ve never been questioned on it, likely due to the fact I don’t have a natural signature
Though it was a few years ago, as someone who has worked the polls, here is what I recall about the poll operation and ballot collecting process:
In MA, absentee/early ballots are sent out with barcodes that can be mapped back to a central DB. Afaik a maximum of one early ballot is sent out to any given voter. If you lose it, you’re walking to your polling station on election day. The mailed/dropped off ballots are scanned so that they’re routed to the correct voting precinct; they’re given to us on Election Day to run through with the in-person ballots.
On Election Day, we sit there with registered voter lists (the list is sharded, not duplicated - i.e. someone works a-f, someone else works g-k, etc.); people come in, tell us who they are (no, no id is checked, but they do need to give us a full, correct address that matches their stated name); they are marked off as “voted” on the list. Voters are provided with a ballot once they have been found on the list and marked off.
Absentee ballots are run through the machines throughout the day; for every single ballot, we match it to a name on the list, and . If there are any duplicate ballots, that is caught at the voter list checking phase, and is flagged thusly for any necessary follow-up (confirmation, disambiguation, or legal action as necessary) and the extra ballot is set aside (whichever one we come across second).
I’m pretty sure we had zero duplicates when I did it in the 2020 presidential (I feel like I would have remembered that, considering the political context at the time), and iirc we processed something in the neighborhood of 10,000ish ballots.