• just_another_person@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    The Muslim population of MI is less than 3%. I think they imagine they have more bargaining power than actually exists. Keep in mind that 3% does not mean all of them can even vote, so that number is much lower. Granted, in 2016 and 2020 the margins of victory were miniscule, but early voting numbers in every swing state are beyond expectations in 2024.

    I don’t think they have the kind of numbers to back up their talk.

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      6 days ago

      Bush was given Florida by SCOTUS over 532 votes, and I would imagine when fighting against fascism, you would be doing everything your power to garner votes, not polarize them. Especially when their demand is “can you stop supporting a genocide?”

      I’m not saying I disagree with you, was just giving my interpretation of context to the other comment. I will say though, Democrats are famous for clutching defeat from the jaws of victory. We’ll have to see what the results bring in a couple weeks.

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        6 days ago

        I think backing down to a position of what happened in previous elections is a red herring. I keep seeing this mentioned in relation to this topic. The problem with that is all records for early voting are being broken, and previous elections people have been more lax on making the effort. Not so this year.

        Specifically in MI, you can see the turnout numbers here.

        I expect as in other states that early voting is largely being driven by Democrats, but we will see.

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      6 days ago

      They have bargaining power because they are the only people willing to vote for this issue.

      If only these people will change their vote for it they get to decide.

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        6 days ago

        “Bargaining power” in voting is determined by actual intent and impact. The math says they don’t have much of any, especially if this is the single issue they are trying to “bargain” over.

        Even if 100% of the less than 2% of their entire group votes against Harris, you’d have to be betting that the other groups aren’t coming out in force FOR Harris, which seems to absolutely be the case right now. Facts are that maybe only 50% of that group will vote against her, which is about where the Dems are at anyway with the larger voting blocks in MI.

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          6 days ago

          It doesn’t matter who wins. What matters is the number of voters not on the duopoly. That will signal how many voters there are to earn for politicians to not support Israel.

          Politicians would be crazy to stop supporting Israel if it is always a winning move.

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            6 days ago

            Well then that’s a losing battle if that’s your understanding of it.

            There are double the number of US Jewish than Muslim, and if you’re asserting this is all about a flex for alliances and whatnot based solely on religions versus anything, the numbers aren’t there for Muslims trying said flex.

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              The people I know who are most stridently against the genocide are Jews. Don’t play into antisemetic tropes that Jewish people are automatically supportive of Israel no matter what sins it commits.

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      6 days ago

      Hence, the party acting like they’re proud of Republican endorsements and promising to put one in the cabinet. The Democrats know they’re going to win and have stopped trying to earn votes.