• ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world
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    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect.

    Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

    Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government

    In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.\

    2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3

    In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

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      2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.

      Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.

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          Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.

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      Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn’t think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.

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      I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

      But now, we’re 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we’ll also be an axis power.
      Every time I think we’re in the worst possible timeline the universe says “bet” and throws us another curveball.
      I’m getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

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      Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It’s gone man, solid gone

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        I don’t understand how the rhetoric this time didn’t hurt him there tbh, he didn’t change it really

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    What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.

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    Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

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    Shes fine with it.

    Every stance she took will be adhered to, and she is going to get the Republicans in the cabinet that she wanted so bad.

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      Somehow I think the person who would have been the first female president is not “fine” with losing to Donald Trump.

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        If she really cared, maybe she would have declined the AIPAC money, set a redeemable platform, and sunk one of the easiest wins in US history.

        She didnt do that though. Did she?

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          You’re in an echo chamber if you think the general population cares that much about the situation in Gaza. Funny how all you talking heads hyperfocus on this one aspect that most people don’t care enough about.

          If you truly cared about it, then you would understand that Trump is going to be oh so much worse.

          You and your ilk are a one note song.

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          It’s not a matter of “not caring” to win. She miscalculated and campaigned wrong. Did Trump lose in 2020 because he didn’t care to win?

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            Oh ya, miscalculated a whole shit ton of money into her pocket, again, still keeps all of her stances intact, and gets to cha ching make the AIPAC money ring and bury the Democrats again in 4 years.

            Youre right, its not that she doesnt care. Its that this is exactly what she planned.

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    Of course she made a concession speech. Because Democrats are constitutionally unable to accept the reality we voted into power 2016.

    The party deserves extinction.

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    “when we lose an election, we accept the results”

    Will, that’s a lie. Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone.

    EDIT My point was the Left blamed Trump for it and/or he anything to do with it. But he didn’t.

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      Except that Russia did and has continued funding disinformation to sow division and hatred among Americans.

      You can look up Tenet Media and how they filtered Russian money down to major right wing political commentators.

      There’s nothing fake about that.

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      Do you believe Russia has interfered in any election?

      Just trying to figure out what reality we’re in before going further.

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      Remember 4 years of Russia-gate, everyone

      That whole thing was about Russia using social media to spend disinformation. The entire thing wasn’t that, Russia hacked into the ballot boxes and changed votes, it was that Russia was using social media as a means to give false information to the public.

      Underpinning the whole Russia-gate episode is the fact that human beings still physically pushed the buttons they pushed and that the vote they cast was indeed the vote they wished to cast. So we still accept the results as, technically speaking, the people have spoken.

      But c’mon, you’ve seen the increase in AI slop. You know the Russia-gate stuff is true. In fact, I would dare say this election cycle they’ve gotten worse at doing it as they’re still pretty new at the whole AI stuff. Now where I, myself, and other Democrats likely disagree is the how to solve it. Lots of Democrats want to ban AI and regulate social media, but my opinion is you can’t fight fire by banning the match. You have to teach fire safety and hope the public is smart enough to not set themselves on fire.

      But the important aspect is in all of this, the ballots that were cast, we still respect the final tally. That’s the fundamental difference between the Russia-gate and Trump’s legal challenges. The Russia-gate stuff is basically people are being misled. Trump’s stuff was that people were literally altering the ballot computer.

      I think people are still being misled… BUT, Trump won this one fair and square. The law doesn’t say a person being misled shouldn’t have their vote count, and such a law would be insanely stupid/incredibly dangerous, even if it favored my particular team. We fix being misled by educating people and so losing this election just means that the educating folks game needs to up the ante. Best anyone can do is put the sources out there, show where the misinformation is wrong, and leave it up to the voter to read all of that come to the conclusion that matches reality. But if they don’t, we’ve got to accept that and work on better messaging.

      That’s how one makes a point. They present the view, present the evidence, and use a persuasive argument. The rest is up to the voter to put together.