The entire “problem” with veganism is that almost anything which starts with such an inflexible moral imperative ends up becoming militant, specifically because that rigidity quickly becomes at odds with more practical and functional versions of the idea.
Like so many similar ethics, veganism doesn’t really concern itself with creating a practical or actionable roadmap for how food supply chains can be iteratively modified towards the goal of reducing animal suffering. Militant moralists, in fact, tend to avoid such things specifically because they demand a framework of accountable progress. Demanding radical and unrealistic measures be taken, and then condemning those who express skepticism or hostility of this idea is much easier. Like a religion.
the entire problem with your comment is that you are using vague language and not defining your terms. as a result, you have presented unfalsifiable theory.
no one should believe anything you’ve written here.
Poor people are adversely affected by green washing because the prices of meat and dairy free alternatives force their families out of the price range. The of introducing plant based alternatives to grocery stores with gentrification in poor areas has been a significant issue that is downplayed because tech-WASPs want to buy out the neighborhoods anyway.
Silicon valley is radiating out of the city and families that have been living in Oakland and Richmond have been getting priced out of the area. It’s not that veganism is the problem, it’s that veganism is expensive and isn’t subsidized while also making traditional food harder to acquire. Since the price has risen for luxury products and the stores are higher scale, prices for basic products also rise. It’s happening in Portland and Eugene too, and I’m sure wherever tech is booming.
Again, it’s not specifically veganism. It’s a bit of a byproduct of the type of people. The traditional families that are being priced out are also vegans and non-dietary restricted families. It’s the green washing to force poor families out of areas rich people choose to live, literally weaponizing veganism. Also yt veganism, as if minority families haven’t been living vegan for decades already.
Finally, I also don’t entirely agree with the other user but a point I think they may have been trying to make is the difference between factory farmed and locally sourced. For some it is about harm to the animals full stop, to which point not all local farms that sell dairy harm their livestock. The goal should be harm reduction so anyone moving away from factory farms to local farms should be encouraged, but it’s common to get responses that reject even that, which in turn only bolsters factory farmings position as local farms get further eroded from lack of local support.
All in all, don’t let yt veganism replace actual vegan philosophy and please respect indigenous traditional practices. We should be aiming to move back to these practices in the industry to scale it down, not replacing them with soy/almond/oat milk that’s 4x more expensive and pricing families out of neighborhoods
Eh, veganism is quite clear in that it doesn’t support the use of any animal products. If one doesn’t live by that fully everyday there is still benefit to doing it in part.
You’re also wrong about vegans not being concerned about supply chain ie how people get there food and how it affects people and animals.
There’s no problems with morals lol. Are you going to argue that not killing is like a religion?
The entire “problem” with veganism is that almost anything which starts with such an inflexible moral imperative ends up becoming militant, specifically because that rigidity quickly becomes at odds with more practical and functional versions of the idea.
Like so many similar ethics, veganism doesn’t really concern itself with creating a practical or actionable roadmap for how food supply chains can be iteratively modified towards the goal of reducing animal suffering. Militant moralists, in fact, tend to avoid such things specifically because they demand a framework of accountable progress. Demanding radical and unrealistic measures be taken, and then condemning those who express skepticism or hostility of this idea is much easier. Like a religion.
the entire problem with your comment is that you are using vague language and not defining your terms. as a result, you have presented unfalsifiable theory.
no one should believe anything you’ve written here.
Poor people are adversely affected by green washing because the prices of meat and dairy free alternatives force their families out of the price range. The of introducing plant based alternatives to grocery stores with gentrification in poor areas has been a significant issue that is downplayed because tech-WASPs want to buy out the neighborhoods anyway.
Silicon valley is radiating out of the city and families that have been living in Oakland and Richmond have been getting priced out of the area. It’s not that veganism is the problem, it’s that veganism is expensive and isn’t subsidized while also making traditional food harder to acquire. Since the price has risen for luxury products and the stores are higher scale, prices for basic products also rise. It’s happening in Portland and Eugene too, and I’m sure wherever tech is booming.
Again, it’s not specifically veganism. It’s a bit of a byproduct of the type of people. The traditional families that are being priced out are also vegans and non-dietary restricted families. It’s the green washing to force poor families out of areas rich people choose to live, literally weaponizing veganism. Also yt veganism, as if minority families haven’t been living vegan for decades already.
Finally, I also don’t entirely agree with the other user but a point I think they may have been trying to make is the difference between factory farmed and locally sourced. For some it is about harm to the animals full stop, to which point not all local farms that sell dairy harm their livestock. The goal should be harm reduction so anyone moving away from factory farms to local farms should be encouraged, but it’s common to get responses that reject even that, which in turn only bolsters factory farmings position as local farms get further eroded from lack of local support.
All in all, don’t let yt veganism replace actual vegan philosophy and please respect indigenous traditional practices. We should be aiming to move back to these practices in the industry to scale it down, not replacing them with soy/almond/oat milk that’s 4x more expensive and pricing families out of neighborhoods
more non falsifiable vaguery
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Eh, veganism is quite clear in that it doesn’t support the use of any animal products. If one doesn’t live by that fully everyday there is still benefit to doing it in part.
You’re also wrong about vegans not being concerned about supply chain ie how people get there food and how it affects people and animals.
There’s no problems with morals lol. Are you going to argue that not killing is like a religion?
There’s a lot of ideas that I agree with, but that are made into a religion. I think it’s because abstract ideals aren’t very motivating on their own.
True!
You can’t think of any valid reason to kill?