• Lemmywinks@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    This is a very badly written headline/article.

    Gaelic and Scots are two entirely different languages from two entirely different language families. Gaelic is a celtic language, closely related to Irish, while Scots is a germanic language, closely related to English.

    While it is true that Gaelic is sometimes referred to as ‘Scots/Scottish Gaelic’ (to differentiate it from the Irish word for the Irish language), calling it ‘Gaelic and Scots’ is 100% incorrect.

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      8 days ago

      To be fair, the article doesn’t even mention Scots, except in the intro paragraph that is really just an expanded headline.

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      8 days ago

      I read “language” as referring to each individually. “Languages” would have been better, yes, or replacing the “and” with a comma.

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        7 days ago

        But the Scots langauge isn’t involved in the story in any way, so it should just say ‘Gaelic language’.

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        8 days ago

        No, it should say ‘in the Gaelic language’, the Scots language isn’t involved in the story

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      9 days ago

      Gaelic and Scots are two entirely different languages

      Yes but Gaelic is also a Scots language. And sometimes Canadian.

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        8 days ago

        It’s a Scottish language, but not a Scots language, and the words are not interchangeable. The Scots lived in the lowlands and spoke Scots unlike the Highlanders who lived in the highlands (and western isles) and spoke Gaelic, the modern Scottish identity is a fusion of these two quite different cultures.

        Source: have lived in Scotland for over 3 decades

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            8 days ago

            From 1500 on, Scotland was commonly divided by language into two groups of people, Gaelic-speaking “Highlanders” (the language formerly called Scottis by English speakers and known by many Lowlanders in the 18th century as “Erse”) and the Inglis-speaking “Lowlanders” (a language later to be called Scots). However, movement between the two regions increased over the last few centuries. Highlanders moved to major cities (e.g. Glasgow and Edinburgh) and regions bordering the southern Highlands (e.g. Lowland Stirlingshire and Perthshire). This is evidenced by people with traditional Gaelic surnames (including anglicised varieties) currently living in these areas. Lowlanders also settled in Highland regions such as Moray, which was traditionally Gaelic-speaking but replaced with Doric in the 19th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people

            Most commonly spoken in the Scottish Lowlands, the Northern Isles of Scotland, and northern Ulster in Ireland (where the local dialect is known as Ulster Scots), it is sometimes called Lowland Scots, to distinguish it from Scottish Gaelic, the Celtic language that was historically restricted to most of the Scottish Highlands, the Hebrides, and Galloway after the sixteenth century;[13] or Broad Scots, to distinguish it from Scottish Standard English. Many Scottish people’s speech exists on a dialect continuum ranging between Broad Scots and Standard English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language

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              8 days ago

              I wasn’t disputing your wee history lesson. In modern parlance ‘Scots’ is often substituted for ‘Scottish’.

              Seeing as you’re not in agreement you’re either deafblind, not Scots or a clanker.

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                8 days ago

                I’ve been here since I was 9, so not technically Scottish, no. I get that Scots is an abbreviation of Scottish, but in this context it clearly refers to the language/culture of the same name. I assumed you were a Canadian or American, which is why I gave the history lesson.

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                  8 days ago

                  in this context

                  In what context? You pulled me up for saying ‘Gaelic is a Scots language’ when calling it ‘Scots Gaelic’ is valid and distinguishes it from Irish.

                  And FYI its as Canadian as it is Scots so leave them be.

                  which is why I gave the history lesson

                  Yeah well nobody likes a smart arse.