• OccamsRazer@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          So what did it conclude about trump colluding with Russians? And what actions have come from that conclusion?

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            8 months ago

            Why are you asking these questions now after asserting falsehoods before and refusing to read the report?

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              8 months ago

              Just curious what exactly you got from it, and how you reconcile that against what all of the news reported and concluded. Mueller report states that the investigation “did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it’s election interference activities”. What does that mean to you?

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                8 months ago

                Read the report and listen to what Mueller said he thought were the appropriate boundaries of his job. He refused to make judgments and focused on putting facts and evidence in the report. Fox and Republicans twisted that into the narrative that you are repeating. Mueller didn’t find collusion because he refused to take that role, supposedly believing that the elected representatives were the ones that would take an honest look at the report and make that judgement. But you are asking those questions because you want to deflect away from you making claims about without having read it. All news didn’t reach the same conclusion. All right-wing propaganda did though.

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                  8 months ago

                  PBS, NPR, American Bar Association, etc are not what I would call right wing propaganda, but I guess it’s relative. If I understand correctly though, your stance is that Mueller was simply getting the information out there for others to act on if they chose to. In that case, why have they not acted? My impression from legal summaries, including from the American bar association, is that they are not pursuing it because the Mueller report couldn’t find enough evidence to build a case. I trust their assessment and summary of the report more than what I can get out of reading it myself in it’s entirety.

                  So what really happened? Nobody knows for sure and there is not enough evidence to do anything about it. It’s a non-topic.

                  How long until he gets jail time? How many continuous years of lawsuits and investigations before they get him? Is the system really that broken that he keeps getting away with it or are the charges simply weak to begin with? Tbh I don’t really know, but I have serious Trump fatigue.

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                    8 months ago

                    I think that an honest assessment of Trump’s handling by the legal system shows that there is plenty to go after him for and that he has been given far too much leeway. The system is broken in the sense that it relies on being populated by good faith actors instead of loyalists to a demagogue.

                    I think that the motivation and the handling was different but I wonder if you feel that the decades a legal pursuit of the Clinton’s similarly shows that it was unfounded?

                    I think they didn’t take action against Trump because of a combination of cowardice, party loyalty, and overt obstruction from prominent Republican leadership.