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Cake day: June 12th, 2023

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  • Yep, so many examples of Democrats not doing the thing they could’ve done when they had the power. Putting Trump in prison (by not hiring a Republican as AG), codifying Roe v. Wade, replacing Supreme Court justices before they die, abolishing the filibuster, getting rid of the debt ceiling, …

    And they always point their little finger when people give up on them, even though the facts are that democrats are either just putting up a puppet show where they’re always a vote short for something, or they’re incompetent.

    This last election had shown that it wasn’t so much Trump that won, the Democrats lost because too many people stayed home because they’re sick of their games.


  • The debt ceiling is used that way by Republicans for the most part. They don’t want to increase taxes even for corporations, but they try to force a budget resolution by cutting spending when there really is only so much you can cut without hurting people.

    Exactly! The Democrats can’t use the debt ceiling, because shutting down the government hurts their constituency more. So it’s a loaded gun that can only be used by Republicans, and whenever Democrats are in a position to do something about it, they don’t. Same with the filibuster, BTW.


  • The debt ceiling has always been used by Republicans to pressure Democrats into further concessions that would otherwise not have been needed to give. Remember, the debt ceiling is just an extra hurdle towards spending money that was already appropriated by Congress. So Congress as a whole voted to spend all that money and thus a certain amount of debt. The CBO can calculate exactly how much something will cost, so if you’re worried about what tax cuts/spending would do to the debt, you can always find out. There’s no need to have an additional thing on top of that that can randomly shut down the government.


  • Yep, and last time the debt ceiling vote came up, people on the left were imploring Democrats to raise it by a stupid amount / abolish it so they wouldn’t need to go through this stupid fight again, but that was dismissed because it was ‘unrealistic’ or whatever.

    And now Republicans are doing exactly that. After they’ve proven that a small caucus can take down / get concessions from the speaker of the house. Another thing some Democrats were unwilling to do.