“What’s funny about that is they assume my ambition is positional. They assume my ambition is a title or a seat. My ambition is way bigger than that. My ambition is to change this country. Presidents come and go, elected officials come and go, single payer healthcare is forever.”
I’d vote for John Stewart if I was American. Look up how he supported the 911 firemen. He is the right mix of popular to be a viable candidate and obviously principled enough to be a second Obama.
Jon Stewart pushed hard for ~$10 billion for roughly 90,000 9/11 responders/survivors - about $110,000 per person.
Using that same math for all 330 million Americans, - that’d be roughly $36 trillion (more than entire GDP).
I dunno - something about that deal is, - feels a bit populist.
I support universal healthcare. That’s exactly why this bothers me. America refuses to build a rational universal system, but will absolutely create gold-plated exception systems for emotionally untouchable groups because the politics are driven by symbolism and emotion instead of coherent policy.
It should be noted that those people had significant health risks, far beyond the average American. This is basically masonry, likely including asbestos, where the survivors had no capacity for ppe, and many responders forwent it pursuing immediate life saving over waiting to try to get ppe that wasn’t readily available.
This is best thought of as disaster relief in the form of healthcare.
Jon Stewart was pretty positive on Trump bombing Iran. He is not the guy.
Lol, no he wasn’t.
Source: See any of his shows.
https://lemmy.world/post/43875820
Yeah…you’d have to be pretty dense to think that’s him condoning the war on Iran. He makes jokes about every leader. Just because you took offense to them doesn’t mean he’s supporting the war.
Where did you see that?
Daily show made some jokes about it, and I have heard people alternatively claim that he is either pro Trump or pro Iran. People just looking for an excuse to hate Jon I guess
That’s kinda what I figured. Anyone claiming he’s pro trump either hasn’t seen him talk about anything or is severely misunderstanding his sarcasm and/or satire.
I suspect that the more strident you are politically, the less likely it is that you can understand satire and nuance.
Right, they are taking everything as a flat statement devoid of all other context. You can make damn near anything sound bad if you do that.
They are misunderstanding what they linked so hard though that it’s absolutely someone purposely mischaracterizing the entire material to push an agenda.
https://lemmy.world/post/43875820
I see you sending this to more than just me. Seeing this and your other posts, you’ve got an agenda of some kind. Stewart doesn’t condone the invasion at all in this, in fact he criticizes it.
Bullshit.
Oh yes just what we need a second Obama. First Obama worked out so well for us.
Obama wasn’t perfect, but at least he wasn’t a trainwreck and he was sandwiched between two of them.
No, you don’t understand - if you can’t get a 110% perfect leftist president, you might as well just elect the next Trump to reinforce fascism!
Man ain’t that the damn truth. I’m so tired of that mindset that if the only tolerable option isn’t perfect, let the terrible option win. Just wtf.
I get that we want to have a better system, but if people let the side that is intent on non-rich people having zero say or rights, we will be worse off than the imperfect solution. Really need people to quit letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Try talking sense to some Green party boosters. They are almost as insular as the conservative sub on reddit.
They absolutely will not take responsibility for being the splitters who let Dubya win in 2000. They still think Jill Stein is an awesome choice for president and they still ignore congressional races.
They embody the idea of rejecting the positive because it isn’t perfect(in their eyes).
Yeah, all the ones I have run into have been pretty delusional in that regard. And no matter how you explain anything they just shove their heads in the sand and ignore reality. I would say that I hope one day ranked choice voting makes this a non issue. But I bet they mark only one option and leave off the others. It’s chess with pigeons.
It’s really the only other alternative.
She literally told you it is not about president, masters never changed. Now you understand?
Are you suggesting that, assuming magically Obama won president in 2025, things would be going exactly the same because “masters never changed”?
I am saying that I was disappointed long ago seeing my friends, colleagues and others getting fooled by politicians. At least their pink glasses were striped off. As the saying goes, it has to get really bad before we see changes. The only one right now who I am interested to watch is Mamdani, he seems pretty legit so far
Same track, slower train
Suggesting that Obama-equivalent would threaten allies with military takeover of land, tariff literally everybody fucking up the global economy, start supporting the enemy and rolling out the red carpet for Putin, or attacking Iran for absolutely no reason… is just flat out delusional.
Lol, another Obama is exactly what is needed: a statesman and a diplomat, a rational person, someone who works to improve America rather tells fools that he is there for America but is actually only in it for himself and his mentor Putin. But America got to do America so…enjoy the shitshow.
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Just one small correction: although the 2008 bank bailout did happen during Obama’s presidency, it was the Bush administration who created it and signed it into law. This is usually framed as Bush being a class act and doing it to spare Obama the blowback of having to do the same (back in the days when presidential class was still a thing), but it seems not to have worked, as everybody still blames Obama entirely.
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I remember the arguments I had in 2008 with my lefty friends when they kept saying Obama was the most liberal candidate. I’d go over each of their positions and showed my reasoning and they wouldn’t even consider what I said but instead would get emotional and insist he was more liberal.
Hell, in his own book Obama talks about how Reagan was a huge role model for him.
Obama is a great example of how charisma can put you over the top. And I love the guy, I just wish he had been a progressive and realized early on that the Republicans would never compromise on anything and that they were always working in bad faith.
I agree with almost all of this and even the parts I disagree with I agree in principle. There will never be someone who can reach level or power needed to actually do what you’re describing without being a very, very good liar. Because they are never reaching that position on merit and message alone. It’s not just republicans outnumbering us. It’s people who are indifferent outnumber republicans and democrats and progressives combined. And not performatively indifferent. I mean people who genuinely do not care and do not vote and never will vote no matter how bad their circumstances get. A rock bottom low enough to engage that many people can not exist in a world with drive thrus, cell phones, and air conditioning. There’s no way to make that many people uncomfortable enough to care without it already being too late.
Yeah, the same guy who killed two American citizens in Pakistan with no due process. The one that accepted a transparency award in a CLOSED meeting. The president that didn’t close gitmo. The one that expanded our wars to six countries. And remember how George Bush was spying on Americans by listening in on that fiber optic cable coming into the ATT center in California and how Obama stopped all of that? Oh, right he didn’t. In fact I believe it’s still going on. And Obama care, what a great idea. Force people to buy health insurance. What a great idea. So great the heritage foundation came up with it, you know the people who brought you Project 2025. People seem to think that just because he wasn’t Bush or Trump, he was great. I think they can all be shit.
Current situation is a direct result of first Obama
Indirect result - racist reactions to a black President.
I’d like to point out that Obama is responsible for the most amount of deportations in the history of this country. And he bombed more of the middle east that bush. He’s still one of the greatest presidents in our history, but…
Edit: I mean I’m sorry you don’t like established facts. He’s not Homelander but he’s not mother Theresa either.
Compared to literally every other American president in my lifetime, this is unironically true. I’m 47. What’s your point?
Tan suit
Mic drop
/s … Which is hopefully obvious
And look where we are today. Our “president”pulling meme coin and fake smartphone rug pulls. Gas at $6+ a gallon and rising. Please snap out of it!!!
We don’t need a second Obama. We need a first of a new kind of president, one that manages to actually change things. Not a party line tower, not a middle of the roadster, but a daring and principled changer. The type of person we’d need would be fighting both parties, not just pissing the other one off. Because both parties right now are fubar and our future looks bleak.
The DNC took Bernie down…now AOC is the closest to what u describe.
We need her to step up. And we need to put the DNC as well as the GOP out to pasture.
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