Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said in an interview with NBC News that he will encourage progressive voters to still back Democrats on the ticket in November even if moderates are victorious in the primaries.
Eh… At least some candidates that have recently won their primaries have been progressive enough to disavow Israel. As a whole the party is still shitty, which I guess is just an accurate depiction of the general population. However, it would be hard to say they were worse than the alternative.
There’s an ongoing genocide where thousand of kids were murdered already, both the red and blue parties supported and endorsed it. Would you advocate to vote for a “good” candidate running with the republican that claim to not support israel?
Would Kamala have stopped the genocide… Prob not. But she also likely wouldn’t have bombed a bunch of school children in Iran either.
She fueled a genocide where thousand children got killed
You’re like one of those pull toys that say a few differernt phrases when you pull the string, but you’re one of the defect ones that only say one thing. Over and over.
There’s an ongoing genocide where thousand of kids were murdered already
Yes … And do you think that the few politicians who do not support Israeli genocide should also be blamed for it?
you advocate to vote for a “good” candidate running with the republican that claim to not support israel?
That’s not the only criteria that is important to me…? In this hypothetical if the candidate was actually a leftist who for some reason had to run as a Republican, then yes?
She fueled a genocide where thousand children got killed
I’m not detracting from her complicity in a genocide, or trying to say she’s a decent human being. I’m claiming that trump is even more complicit in the genocide and has needlessly killed thousands of people in a war with Iran that does not fit within Kamala’s geopolitical ambitions.
I don’t really know what point you are trying to get across here?
If you are part of a party that support it then the blame is on you too.
Seems like a great way to make sure that the party never improves…
didn’t fit trump “no more wars” policy too, until he did it.
Breaking News…Trump lies!
No one with two braincells in their head to rub together believed that because it did not fit within his geopolitical ambitions.
War has always fit red and blue geopolitical ambitions, always.
That’s a idiotic generalization. Yes, Democrats have historically supported unjust wars. However, they still have geopolitical strategies that differ from conservatives. There is zero chance that Kamala would have broken up the Iran nuclear deal and gone to war with Iran… That deal was their biggest accomplishment in the modern age.
I’m sure you are the type to advocate for voting third party, which I honestly don’t have a problem with. The problem is that we are a two party system. Even if a third party were popularized it would just take the place of one of the two standing parties.
If you honestly want a third party to advance to that place you would first have to create a schism in the democratic party by primarying the old guard with young progressives. Telling people to disregard the politician and only focus on the party does nothing but serve the fascist currently running the government.
Seems like a great way to make sure that the party never improves…
If the party you are trying to improve is evil and corrupted as fuck you have more chances to improve humanity not associating yourself with them. Your argument is like trying to improve nazism within the nazi party.
That’s a idiotic generalization. Yes, Democrats have historically supported unjust wars. However, they still have geopolitical strategies that differ from conservatives. There is zero chance that Kamala would have broken up the Iran nuclear deal and gone to war with Iran…
You are speculating what someone endorsing a genocide where thousand of kids died would have done.
Telling people to disregard the politician and only focus on the party does nothing but serve the fascist currently running the government.
If you actually want to fight fascists you want to promote something better than voting for the lesser evil fascist
If the party you are trying to improve is evil and corrupted as fuck you have more chances to improve humanity not associating yourself with them.
So we can improve humanity by not voting in protest or voting for a non-viable 3rd party, thus allowing a fascist party to take control, which is exactly what happened in 2024?
Your argument is like trying to improve nazism within the nazi party.
Because now you’re comparing the Democrat party to the Nazi party. You are fantastically irrational and at this point I can’t take anything you say with even the remotest sincerity.
You are speculating what someone endorsing a genocide where thousand of kids died would have done.
It’s not speculation. They pointed out that the Iran Deal was one of the Democrat’s biggest accomplishments in the modern era. Why would she, if she was a Democrat president, want to undo that? Come on kiddo, use some common sense at least once today.
If you actually want to fight fascists you want to promote something better than voting for the lesser evil fascist
If the party you are trying to improve is evil and corrupted as fuck you have more chances to improve humanity not associating yourself with them. Your argument is like trying to improve nazism within the nazi party.
The party is a human construct, it’s the people in the party who make it evil. If you change the people it is a different party in all but name.
like trying to improve nazism within the nazi party.
The Nazi party ceased to be subject to the democratic process and thus had to be destroyed and not changed.
what someone endorsing a genocide where thousand of kids died would have done.
Yes…based on all information we know about the party and the person. You know, the only way you can judge people.
you actually want to fight fascists you want to promote something better than voting for the lesser evil fascist
Voting for the lesser evil is better than voting for something that is not possible…which is the same as supporting the fascist.
You’re just ineffectually virtue signaling to make yourself feel better and at the same time making everything worse for the rest of the world.
The party is a human construct, it’s the people in the party who make it evil. If you change the people it is a different party in all but name.
Same goes for the republicans, if it’s just a color why don’t blue canditates run for red to change it and make it good?
Voting for the lesser evil is better than voting for something that is not possible…which is the same as supporting the fascist.
“that is not possible” is your assumption, what it is not an assumption is that voting for lesser evil fascists is a vote for fascists.
You’re just ineffectually virtue signaling to make yourself feel better and at the same time making everything worse for the rest of the world.
To me it sound like that’s something you are projecting on others, supporting and advocating for the lesser evil it’s doing exactly that, it’s the rest of the world that pay the most for what the US government is doing.
Yes, and we have seen them radicalize even farther right very recently .
why don’t blue canditates run for red to change it and make it good
Because the voting population of the Republican party would be less likely to choose a progressive candidate. What would motivate a progressive candidate to enroll in a conservative party?
that is not possible" is your assumption
I have backed my assumption with actual evidence… What evidence do you have to support your theory?
voting for lesser evil fascists is a vote for fascists.
Says who? There are candidates that just won there primary as Democrats who have disavowed Israel and are democratic socialist. How is voting for them a vot for fascists?
To me it sound like that’s something you are projecting on others,
Ahh yes, because you are the expert who can’t understand political science taught at a highschool level.
advocating for the lesser evil it’s doing exactly
Which is better than advocating for the greater of the two evil… Which is what you are unwittingly doing.
rest of the world that pay the most for what the US government is doing.
And you seem more than happy to let them do that so long as you can waste your vote on a prospect that has zero chance of winning.
Because the voting population of the Republican party would be less likely to choose a progressive candidate. What would motivate a progressive candidate to enroll in a conservative party?
What would motivate a progressive canditate to enroll in an evil party that support a genocide?
I have backed my assumption with actual evidence… What evidence do you have to support your theory?
A prediction on what people will vote for is no evidence to prove that a third party can’t win. It’s easy to understand why, you cannot predict the outcome of the vote.
Says who? There are candidates that just won there primary as Democrats who have disavowed Israel and are democratic socialist. How is voting for them a vot for fascists?
In the scenario where you are voting for the lesser evil fascist you are voting for fascists, that’s the scenario of people voting for the lesser evil fascist in the latest US presidential elections. A vote for someone who is part of the democratic party is a vote for someone in a party that supports a genocide.
Which is better than advocating for the greater of the two evil… Which is what you are unwittingly doing.
I’ve never advocated for evil, I’ve always advocated to do the correct thing and to not support criminals with blood on their hands, don’t you realize how twisted your logic is?
And you seem more than happy to let them do that
I’ve been here advocating against an ongoing genocide in every post how the hell i’m happy to let them do that?
on a prospect
It sound to me that you are taking for granted a prospect. Instead of trusting prospects made by the government try to think with your mind. If people decide to vote for a third party a third party will win, if you believe people won’t decide to do that instead of advocating for the lesser evil try to change people mind or at last don’t attack people who are trying to do that.
There’s an ongoing genocide where thousand of kids were murdered already, both the red and blue parties supported and endorsed it. Would you advocate to vote for a “good” candidate running with the republican that claim to not support israel?
She fueled a genocide where thousand children got killed
https://archivegenocide.com/
You’re like one of those pull toys that say a few differernt phrases when you pull the string, but you’re one of the defect ones that only say one thing. Over and over.
Yes … And do you think that the few politicians who do not support Israeli genocide should also be blamed for it?
That’s not the only criteria that is important to me…? In this hypothetical if the candidate was actually a leftist who for some reason had to run as a Republican, then yes?
I’m not detracting from her complicity in a genocide, or trying to say she’s a decent human being. I’m claiming that trump is even more complicit in the genocide and has needlessly killed thousands of people in a war with Iran that does not fit within Kamala’s geopolitical ambitions.
I don’t really know what point you are trying to get across here?
If you are part of a party that support it then the blame is on you too.
It didn’t fit trump “no more wars” policy too, until he did it.
War has always fit red and blue geopolitical ambitions, always.
Yes, because there aren’t a whole range of other policies to consider and hundreds of Democrat reps, many of whom don’t condone what Israel is doing.
How simple is the inside of your mind? What you got in there? A twin bed and a computer that only goes to Lemmy and archivegenocide.org?
Seems like a great way to make sure that the party never improves…
Breaking News…Trump lies! No one with two braincells in their head to rub together believed that because it did not fit within his geopolitical ambitions.
That’s a idiotic generalization. Yes, Democrats have historically supported unjust wars. However, they still have geopolitical strategies that differ from conservatives. There is zero chance that Kamala would have broken up the Iran nuclear deal and gone to war with Iran… That deal was their biggest accomplishment in the modern age.
I’m sure you are the type to advocate for voting third party, which I honestly don’t have a problem with. The problem is that we are a two party system. Even if a third party were popularized it would just take the place of one of the two standing parties.
If you honestly want a third party to advance to that place you would first have to create a schism in the democratic party by primarying the old guard with young progressives. Telling people to disregard the politician and only focus on the party does nothing but serve the fascist currently running the government.
If the party you are trying to improve is evil and corrupted as fuck you have more chances to improve humanity not associating yourself with them. Your argument is like trying to improve nazism within the nazi party.
You are speculating what someone endorsing a genocide where thousand of kids died would have done.
If you actually want to fight fascists you want to promote something better than voting for the lesser evil fascist
So we can improve humanity by not voting in protest or voting for a non-viable 3rd party, thus allowing a fascist party to take control, which is exactly what happened in 2024?
Because now you’re comparing the Democrat party to the Nazi party. You are fantastically irrational and at this point I can’t take anything you say with even the remotest sincerity.
It’s not speculation. They pointed out that the Iran Deal was one of the Democrat’s biggest accomplishments in the modern era. Why would she, if she was a Democrat president, want to undo that? Come on kiddo, use some common sense at least once today.
Not if the other thing can’t beat the fascists.
The party is a human construct, it’s the people in the party who make it evil. If you change the people it is a different party in all but name.
The Nazi party ceased to be subject to the democratic process and thus had to be destroyed and not changed.
Yes…based on all information we know about the party and the person. You know, the only way you can judge people.
Voting for the lesser evil is better than voting for something that is not possible…which is the same as supporting the fascist.
You’re just ineffectually virtue signaling to make yourself feel better and at the same time making everything worse for the rest of the world.
Same goes for the republicans, if it’s just a color why don’t blue canditates run for red to change it and make it good?
“that is not possible” is your assumption, what it is not an assumption is that voting for lesser evil fascists is a vote for fascists.
To me it sound like that’s something you are projecting on others, supporting and advocating for the lesser evil it’s doing exactly that, it’s the rest of the world that pay the most for what the US government is doing.
Yes, and we have seen them radicalize even farther right very recently .
Because the voting population of the Republican party would be less likely to choose a progressive candidate. What would motivate a progressive candidate to enroll in a conservative party?
I have backed my assumption with actual evidence… What evidence do you have to support your theory?
Says who? There are candidates that just won there primary as Democrats who have disavowed Israel and are democratic socialist. How is voting for them a vot for fascists?
Ahh yes, because you are the expert who can’t understand political science taught at a highschool level.
Which is better than advocating for the greater of the two evil… Which is what you are unwittingly doing.
And you seem more than happy to let them do that so long as you can waste your vote on a prospect that has zero chance of winning.
What would motivate a progressive canditate to enroll in an evil party that support a genocide?
A prediction on what people will vote for is no evidence to prove that a third party can’t win. It’s easy to understand why, you cannot predict the outcome of the vote.
In the scenario where you are voting for the lesser evil fascist you are voting for fascists, that’s the scenario of people voting for the lesser evil fascist in the latest US presidential elections. A vote for someone who is part of the democratic party is a vote for someone in a party that supports a genocide.
I’ve never advocated for evil, I’ve always advocated to do the correct thing and to not support criminals with blood on their hands, don’t you realize how twisted your logic is?
I’ve been here advocating against an ongoing genocide in every post how the hell i’m happy to let them do that?
It sound to me that you are taking for granted a prospect. Instead of trusting prospects made by the government try to think with your mind. If people decide to vote for a third party a third party will win, if you believe people won’t decide to do that instead of advocating for the lesser evil try to change people mind or at last don’t attack people who are trying to do that.