• Jonawan@lemmy.zipOP
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    “Progressives keep winning”

    A progressive winning in New York City is easy.

    Don’t get me wrong. I like Zohran Mamdani or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But could they actually win in Texas? In Nebraska? In Iowa? That’s a real question.

    Look at the Senate race in Michigan.

    • The President is unpopular.

    • He started a trade war with Canada.

    • Gas prices are at a record high

    It should be an easy win for Abdul El Sayed. Yet the race is extremely tight.

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      What are you even talking about?

      2 years ago people included NYC as a place that would never elect a progressive, now people are fucking say obviously NYC has a progressive…

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_New_York_City

      Look at that fucking list, all Republicans and corrupt neoliberals.

      The day Mamdani won his primary the DNC chair endorsed him for the general and quickly (two weeks) gave a pbs interview about how the main parts of what Mamdani has is what the party needs. Even if policy positions would change place to place.

      Like, you just invented a fucking straw man everyone else already accounted for and act like it’s a unique though.

      Just what the fuck are you doing?

      Edit:

      Mamdani won his primary 6/24/25, this interview is 7/9/25:

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

      Like…

      You’re giving an example that proves my point, but you understand this so little you think it refutes it…

      I don’t know if logic is going to help here.

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          It’s not just that, a lot of people are weirdly insistent on the myth that progressive fiscal policy isn’t popular everywhere.

          It fucking is.

          I grew up in a county that voted over 95% trump the last three elections. I haven’t lived there for a long time, but I know the people and most of them are closer than 3rd cousins to me.

          They’ve always wanted progressive policy, it’s just for the last 30 years that hasn’t been an option for them.

          Stuff like better schools, better healthcare, workers protections, living wages…

          All that is insanely popular all over the country. The problem is neoliberals never want to fix it, and with the prior top-down party structure they could crush progressives all over the country.

          We’re back to bottom up, and progressives thrive there because it’s voters picking candidates and not billionaire donors.

          We won’t just see a blue wave, we’ll see a wave of progressives who actually put in the work to fix shit

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            It seems to me that progressive policy, in general, is popular everywhere. Here in Missouri we got legal weed when it was put to a vote, the same with abortion rights. Across the border in Oklahoma they got one of the most lenient medical marijuana policies in the country. There are a lot of examples of similar things in other red states. The left needs to figure out a way to push progressive legislation without tying it to a party.

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              The left needs to figure out a way to push progressive legislation without tying it to a party.

              I mean, it’s not like it’s a mystery…

              Read that PBS interview, all the DNC had to do was keep their thumb off the scales, and that’s what’s happening.

              The idea that it took some crazy strategy and loads of money was neoliberal propaganda to excuse why their chosen candidates wouldn’t actually help anyone.

              It is not hard to be an honest politician when you get to run in fair elections.

              And primaries never have to be fair, that’s why it’s important the party elects leadership whose sole focus is running fair and unbiased primaries. Not doing that for 30 years is why shit is so fucked right now.

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      4 days ago

      But could they actually win in Texas? In Nebraska?

      Yes, but they have been heavily propagandized so the way you frame your message means everything.