There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
And there was one path to stopping Trump once it was clear that the only opposition party was too dumb or corrupt to run an anti genocide candidate.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this.
True. I never claimed otherwise. You also don’t get to change the way elections or math or reality work just by yelling at straw men on the internet. But here we are.
You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever.
I can understand how people behave and still get trolled into an argument when one if them says something wildly delusional. My approval doesn’t matter yet you chose to rant and rail at me.🤷🏾
You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
Yeah. So we got presented with a real life trolley problem where we can choose between slow moving genocide that we have some hope of slowing or stopping or turbo ultra bullet train genocide with a chance of extra foreign and domestic genocide on the side. As much as I hate being called a “soft supporter” of genocide, I fail to see how inaction, leading to an inevitable turbo genocide, is somehow the moral high ground.
I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!! Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
Can you read? Are there more Palestinians alive today than there would be in a hypothetical Harris administration? I never claimed that there was no genocide under Biden or that it would magically disappear under Harris. And my claim was absolutely a thought experiment since it is comparing our present timeline with an unknowable hypothetical parallel timeline. But my bad, obviously proposing a thought experiment to this audience was a fool’s errand.
Can you read? Are there more Palestinians alive today than there would be in a hypothetical Harris administration? I never claimed that there was no genocide under Biden or that it would magically disappear under Harris. And my claim was absolutely a thought experiment since it is comparing our present timeline with an unknowable hypothetical parallel timeline. But my bad, obviously proposing a thought experiment to this audience was a fool’s errand.
We donʻt need a thought experiment because we ran the real experiment, dunce. Implicit in your claim is that Harris would be better, but thats literally a fiction because we have the real data that Biden and Harris were as bad as they needed to be to allow for a genocide, and that Harris was unwilling to step away from that.
And there was one path to stopping Trump once it was clear that the only opposition party was too dumb or corrupt to run an anti genocide candidate.
The 👉 ONLY 👈 way to stop Trump was to get Harris to move her position on genocide. Any strategies which relies on Democratic voters voting for a pro-genodicde candidate is a wreckers strategy. To have engaged in it in 2024 makes you a wrecker. To engage in it now makes you a wrecker. This is not a hypothetical. This is what happened.
is somehow the moral high ground.
Its not moral fucking high ground you fucking oblivious twit. Its doing the basic fucking recognition of what it would have taken to win the election in 2024. You donʻt get to a W in the Democratic column if the candidate continues to support a genocide. Fucking period. Any strategy you employ that is focused on doing anything other than MOVING HARRIS into adopting an EXPLICITLY ANTI-ISRAEL, ANTI-GENOCIDE position, is a wreckers strategy.
Voters donʻt agree with you. Strategic voting/ Harm reduction voting is a failed strategy and failed approach to politics. The expectation that voters would see things your way doesn’t work, so you have to move on. You were wrong then, you are wrong now.
True. I never claimed otherwise.
No you do. You implicitly claim otherwise throughout. Once it becomes clear that the only path towards victory, you shift responsibility from Harris to change her position (one person has to change their mind, very fucking easily done with enough pressure) to the responsibility to voters to vote how you want them to (demonstrated to be functionally impossible; no practical mechanism for this), you are implicitly making that claim.
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
And there was one path to stopping Trump once it was clear that the only opposition party was too dumb or corrupt to run an anti genocide candidate.
True. I never claimed otherwise. You also don’t get to change the way elections or math or reality work just by yelling at straw men on the internet. But here we are.
I can understand how people behave and still get trolled into an argument when one if them says something wildly delusional. My approval doesn’t matter yet you chose to rant and rail at me.🤷🏾
Yeah. So we got presented with a real life trolley problem where we can choose between slow moving genocide that we have some hope of slowing or stopping or turbo ultra bullet train genocide with a chance of extra foreign and domestic genocide on the side. As much as I hate being called a “soft supporter” of genocide, I fail to see how inaction, leading to an inevitable turbo genocide, is somehow the moral high ground.
Can you read? Are there more Palestinians alive today than there would be in a hypothetical Harris administration? I never claimed that there was no genocide under Biden or that it would magically disappear under Harris. And my claim was absolutely a thought experiment since it is comparing our present timeline with an unknowable hypothetical parallel timeline. But my bad, obviously proposing a thought experiment to this audience was a fool’s errand.
We donʻt need a thought experiment because we ran the real experiment, dunce. Implicit in your claim is that Harris would be better, but thats literally a fiction because we have the real data that Biden and Harris were as bad as they needed to be to allow for a genocide, and that Harris was unwilling to step away from that.
The 👉 ONLY 👈 way to stop Trump was to get Harris to move her position on genocide. Any strategies which relies on Democratic voters voting for a pro-genodicde candidate is a wreckers strategy. To have engaged in it in 2024 makes you a wrecker. To engage in it now makes you a wrecker. This is not a hypothetical. This is what happened.
Its not moral fucking high ground you fucking oblivious twit. Its doing the basic fucking recognition of what it would have taken to win the election in 2024. You donʻt get to a W in the Democratic column if the candidate continues to support a genocide. Fucking period. Any strategy you employ that is focused on doing anything other than MOVING HARRIS into adopting an EXPLICITLY ANTI-ISRAEL, ANTI-GENOCIDE position, is a wreckers strategy.
Voters donʻt agree with you. Strategic voting/ Harm reduction voting is a failed strategy and failed approach to politics. The expectation that voters would see things your way doesn’t work, so you have to move on. You were wrong then, you are wrong now.
No you do. You implicitly claim otherwise throughout. Once it becomes clear that the only path towards victory, you shift responsibility from Harris to change her position (one person has to change their mind, very fucking easily done with enough pressure) to the responsibility to voters to vote how you want them to (demonstrated to be functionally impossible; no practical mechanism for this), you are implicitly making that claim.