There is a major budget/shutdown deadline on Dec 11th. Dems must press huge, but ending sanctions on Iran is too far. Allowing these to be used in peaceful negotiations. Instead ending funding for blockade and bases in the region must be a big ask. US establishment/WH want a budget to replensish everything they lost and continue future warmongering power. Letting the region organize itself, and offer carrots for influence, is a path to reducing US budget explosion, avoiding US and world collapse, and bring down fuel prices. There is no logic to continuing or amplifying the war. US can’t afford to.
Congress needs to ask for a lot, and WH has a better chance of negotiating with this congress than the next one.
They have power over government shutdown on Dec 11th deadline. Very critical to (both) party direction even if they don’t have all of the votes to fix america over next month.
It takes 60 senators to pass (allow a vote on) a controversial budget (written and passed by 50% of house). There’s probably 40 who can insist on defunding Iran war, and cancelling coming medicaid cuts. There are hopefully 90 who think Pete Hegseth’s lies to congress about costs and defeat of Iran war deserve the most extreme punishment.
Mr Veto is not going to help GOP in new election cycle. It’s end of era in simping for him. First time in history, a VP has said “must change our relationship to Israel” and even President has said to end aid to Israel. Schumer can’t be leader fighting that from the right.
A shutdown until Jan 3 (new congress day) has a high potential, but then passing something more moderate but still above 2 main goals, before to avoid even more dem budget items is possible too.
They can use that power to end Iran war. Cause a government shutdown if congress can’t agree to end Iran war. ONLY congress are the relevant powers to decide this. It’s not doing anything that “just adds to Amercians’ troubles”
Americans talking like they own the entire world and you have the right to make others suffer to get what you want. Trump really represents you better.
I wish Iran sanctions get lifted and peaceful attitude towards Iran. I literally am more dedicated to this than anyone in US congress.
In terms of what issue to threaten government shutdown over prior to new congress and soon enough that is practical, full sanctions relief with no negotiated gain, do not make the list.
Achieving a US popular and politically realist outcome FORCED on Trump ASAP (Dec 11th) can get Republican politicians to accept:
Cutting short a losing war is better than losing for 2 more years.
Oil price relief good for all Americans.
Dysfunctional white house access and domination of Israel first views corrupted decision/strategy for war.
Harming Iranians does not prosper Americans. Only dark evil Israel supremacist fucks, to the last American, thirsts for this.
This is a long debate for establishment to work through, but to get to a budget that removes sanctions enforcement, and a budget is the only tool with any influence over WH, is going outside of the above winning 4 pressure points.
Blaming Israel for the war and defeat is something JD Vance and Don Jr. are open to. Letting GOP take this view alone so as not to insult Trump too much is good politics and good for Americans. But a radical liberation shift.
But this is not about what is realistic. In the first place, politics is about making your own demands, and then a politician will have to satisfy those and probably meet everyone in the middle. But there is no reason to water down these demands yourself.
If enough people ask for the unrealistic thing, then it becomes realistic.
“opportunity to enact it” is topic of thread. First opportunity is entirely about Dec 11th budget deadline. Goal shouldn’t be a shutdown, but a strong position to force avoiding shutdown that gets just a few congressional republican votes to get over majority, with perhaps JD Vance casting tie breaking vote (with dem majority) to pass the budget that ends Iran war.
OP was about inside baseball, and I posted about the inside baseball. Dec 11th budget is near term power play. It is huge near term political event.
There is a major budget/shutdown deadline on Dec 11th. Dems must press huge, but ending sanctions on Iran is too far. Allowing these to be used in peaceful negotiations. Instead ending funding for blockade and bases in the region must be a big ask. US establishment/WH want a budget to replensish everything they lost and continue future warmongering power. Letting the region organize itself, and offer carrots for influence, is a path to reducing US budget explosion, avoiding US and world collapse, and bring down fuel prices. There is no logic to continuing or amplifying the war. US can’t afford to.
Congress needs to ask for a lot, and WH has a better chance of negotiating with this congress than the next one.
The recently elected Democrats don’t take office until Jan. 3,2027.
They have power over government shutdown on Dec 11th deadline. Very critical to (both) party direction even if they don’t have all of the votes to fix america over next month.
What are you thinking it will take votes wise to make for a government shutdown by December 11th?
It takes 60 senators to pass (allow a vote on) a controversial budget (written and passed by 50% of house). There’s probably 40 who can insist on defunding Iran war, and cancelling coming medicaid cuts. There are hopefully 90 who think Pete Hegseth’s lies to congress about costs and defeat of Iran war deserve the most extreme punishment.
Mr Veto is not going to help GOP in new election cycle. It’s end of era in simping for him. First time in history, a VP has said “must change our relationship to Israel” and even President has said to end aid to Israel. Schumer can’t be leader fighting that from the right.
A shutdown until Jan 3 (new congress day) has a high potential, but then passing something more moderate but still above 2 main goals, before to avoid even more dem budget items is possible too.
Ok but I don’t think that’s going to help their cause. It’ll just add to American’s troubles.
They can use that power to end Iran war. Cause a government shutdown if congress can’t agree to end Iran war. ONLY congress are the relevant powers to decide this. It’s not doing anything that “just adds to Amercians’ troubles”
Americans don’t like government shutdowns.
Americans talking like they own the entire world and you have the right to make others suffer to get what you want. Trump really represents you better.
Trump does not represent me.
What country are you from?
I wish Iran sanctions get lifted and peaceful attitude towards Iran. I literally am more dedicated to this than anyone in US congress.
In terms of what issue to threaten government shutdown over prior to new congress and soon enough that is practical, full sanctions relief with no negotiated gain, do not make the list.
Achieving a US popular and politically realist outcome FORCED on Trump ASAP (Dec 11th) can get Republican politicians to accept:
This is a long debate for establishment to work through, but to get to a budget that removes sanctions enforcement, and a budget is the only tool with any influence over WH, is going outside of the above winning 4 pressure points.
Blaming Israel for the war and defeat is something JD Vance and Don Jr. are open to. Letting GOP take this view alone so as not to insult Trump too much is good politics and good for Americans. But a radical liberation shift.
But this is not about what is realistic. In the first place, politics is about making your own demands, and then a politician will have to satisfy those and probably meet everyone in the middle. But there is no reason to water down these demands yourself.
If enough people ask for the unrealistic thing, then it becomes realistic.
“opportunity to enact it” is topic of thread. First opportunity is entirely about Dec 11th budget deadline. Goal shouldn’t be a shutdown, but a strong position to force avoiding shutdown that gets just a few congressional republican votes to get over majority, with perhaps JD Vance casting tie breaking vote (with dem majority) to pass the budget that ends Iran war.
OP was about inside baseball, and I posted about the inside baseball. Dec 11th budget is near term power play. It is huge near term political event.