The takeaway for me as a leftist is that this indicates how dogshit Biden is but also how much more infininately dogshit Trump is.
We really are in the dogshitiest timeline
I guess it’s cool that a few on the right are finally agreeing with progressives that Biden isn’t the “radical leftist” that the fearmongerers have been pushing for the last 4 years.
Agree, 100%. The guy is friends with McConnell, which I’ll never understand. How leftist can he be? He said they’re friends even though they have “different political views.” Ugh. Biden is what a Republican should be. And I’d be fine with that. Not the shitshow that the GOP is currently.
McConnell is pond scum. I’m okay with different political views, but I can’t stand hypocritical turtleheads.
I was watching Sanders on The Colbert Report and was thinking what the timeline would look like if he hadn’t gotten fucked over by the “It’s Her Turn” team in 2016. I made myself sad because I think we’d be about half an Overton Window back towards sanity.
I looked at Gore’s congressional record in the years after the election. The guy is one of the most genuine public servants ever in federal office. He didn’t invent the Internet, but he did create a key piece of legislation that led to the Internet as we know it. Few other politicians at the time would have ever thought to bother.
I don’t know what his hypothetical presidency would have been like, exactly. Political pressures often force you to set aside idealism. That may not have allowed his post-election advocacy for global warming to be quite so prominent. What I do know is that we’d likely be in a better place as a nation if he had been in office.
oh, I am also “applying current feelings to a prior time” - I voted for Bush in 2000. I think I voted McCain in 2008 too? Or maybe Palin scared me away, I can’t remember. I had also just moved, maybe I missed that election.
I thought about this the other day. Remember, Joe Lieberman was his running mate which is so often a springboard to run for POTUS. Maybe we would’ve gotten Obama in 2008 anyway, maybe we would’ve gotten the guy who would later kill the public option to healthcare reform, or maybe we would’ve gotten an entirely different timeline with a different POTUS in 2008 and beyond.
Yes, there are DEFINITELY some big things we would’ve gained in the early 00s if Gore were in the White House on 9/11 instead. But I’m so unsure of what the ripple effects would be and if they’d be good
I may be wrong but if Lieberman hadn’t been a senator anymore he probably wouldn’t’ve been beholden to the insurance lobby in CT.
The guys still a price of shit that fucked up a much better health plan though for sure. I lived in MA before and after Romney care, and even that was better than what we ended up with.
Push the conversation as far left as they’ve pushed it right, no, much, much further. To absolutely insane territory.
Compromise isn’t ever going to work, so fuck it. Make unreasonable demands. Demand true universal healthcare for all, including illegal aliens currently on the run for violent crimes. Demand paid parental leave for full time stay at home parents. Demand access to 95th trimester abortions if being a parent just ain’t working for you. Mandatory sex Ed every year starting at Pre-K, taught exclusively by drag queens and pre-op trans people.
I’ll be honest, I don’t understand why the hell we’re not already doing exactly this.
I think I was maybe three or four years old when it finally clicked that you always ask for more than you want / expect. Couldn’t elucidate it as such, at the time, but I certainly can now. Corollary is that if you make reasonable demands, expecting good faith, you will get bartered down to zero. Generations of market stall sellers can attest to that one the world over.
I don’t see how this is the case? All conservatives have their heads lodged in their asses on some level, but Trump’s failures are not ones of conservatism, but on a more base level. The attacks on democracy, the isolationism, and the corruption/decency factor are all considerations that the left has been asking for conservatives to give a shit about for years. While I still think this group is conservative, and thus has the whole head-in-ass problem, I don’t think their choice of Biden over Trump makes a statement on anything but Biden’s “decency” compared to Trump’s.
I’m not arguing that Biden is some super leftist, he’s obviously not. I just don’t think this event reinforces that.
The takeaway for me as a leftist is that this indicates how dogshit Biden is but also how much more infininately dogshit Trump is.
We really are in the dogshitiest timeline
I guess it’s cool that a few on the right are finally agreeing with progressives that Biden isn’t the “radical leftist” that the fearmongerers have been pushing for the last 4 years.
Agree, 100%. The guy is friends with McConnell, which I’ll never understand. How leftist can he be? He said they’re friends even though they have “different political views.” Ugh. Biden is what a Republican should be. And I’d be fine with that. Not the shitshow that the GOP is currently.
McConnell is pond scum. I’m okay with different political views, but I can’t stand hypocritical turtleheads.
I feel like this recent episode of Hidden Brain is a very relevant discussion about this topic.
I was watching Sanders on The Colbert Report and was thinking what the timeline would look like if he hadn’t gotten fucked over by the “It’s Her Turn” team in 2016. I made myself sad because I think we’d be about half an Overton Window back towards sanity.
or do you go back to 2000 with the “if Gore won”
Gore did win.
Yup. Gore won and it was stolen because of some hanging chads.
Don’t forget the pregnant Chads
IDK, I was there. Gore seemed like a pompous buffoon then, but he still had to be better than Mission Accomplished.
I looked at Gore’s congressional record in the years after the election. The guy is one of the most genuine public servants ever in federal office. He didn’t invent the Internet, but he did create a key piece of legislation that led to the Internet as we know it. Few other politicians at the time would have ever thought to bother.
I don’t know what his hypothetical presidency would have been like, exactly. Political pressures often force you to set aside idealism. That may not have allowed his post-election advocacy for global warming to be quite so prominent. What I do know is that we’d likely be in a better place as a nation if he had been in office.
oh, I am also “applying current feelings to a prior time” - I voted for Bush in 2000. I think I voted McCain in 2008 too? Or maybe Palin scared me away, I can’t remember. I had also just moved, maybe I missed that election.
We’d have a lock box.
Which really was just a proposal to have social security taxes be used for social security.
But Darrell Hammond saying lockbox sticks in the mind.
I thought about this the other day. Remember, Joe Lieberman was his running mate which is so often a springboard to run for POTUS. Maybe we would’ve gotten Obama in 2008 anyway, maybe we would’ve gotten the guy who would later kill the public option to healthcare reform, or maybe we would’ve gotten an entirely different timeline with a different POTUS in 2008 and beyond.
Yes, there are DEFINITELY some big things we would’ve gained in the early 00s if Gore were in the White House on 9/11 instead. But I’m so unsure of what the ripple effects would be and if they’d be good
I may be wrong but if Lieberman hadn’t been a senator anymore he probably wouldn’t’ve been beholden to the insurance lobby in CT.
The guys still a price of shit that fucked up a much better health plan though for sure. I lived in MA before and after Romney care, and even that was better than what we ended up with.
No, because in that timeline they won on Jan. 6th.
Maybe that’s just a different level, like this is the dogshittiest but your scenario is the satansdickiest.
Unless you’re into that kind of stuff of course, not yuckin anyones yum.
:P
Be the radical leftist they’re so afraid of.
Push the conversation as far left as they’ve pushed it right, no, much, much further. To absolutely insane territory.
Compromise isn’t ever going to work, so fuck it. Make unreasonable demands. Demand true universal healthcare for all, including illegal aliens currently on the run for violent crimes. Demand paid parental leave for full time stay at home parents. Demand access to 95th trimester abortions if being a parent just ain’t working for you. Mandatory sex Ed every year starting at Pre-K, taught exclusively by drag queens and pre-op trans people.
Become unhinged.
I’ll be honest, I don’t understand why the hell we’re not already doing exactly this.
I think I was maybe three or four years old when it finally clicked that you always ask for more than you want / expect. Couldn’t elucidate it as such, at the time, but I certainly can now. Corollary is that if you make reasonable demands, expecting good faith, you will get bartered down to zero. Generations of market stall sellers can attest to that one the world over.
Nah, in some other slightly darker timeline the two candidates are Trump and Gym Jordan.
infininately dogshit, you say?
I don’t see how this is the case? All conservatives have their heads lodged in their asses on some level, but Trump’s failures are not ones of conservatism, but on a more base level. The attacks on democracy, the isolationism, and the corruption/decency factor are all considerations that the left has been asking for conservatives to give a shit about for years. While I still think this group is conservative, and thus has the whole head-in-ass problem, I don’t think their choice of Biden over Trump makes a statement on anything but Biden’s “decency” compared to Trump’s.
I’m not arguing that Biden is some super leftist, he’s obviously not. I just don’t think this event reinforces that.