• rabber@lemmy.ca
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      2 years ago

      I wish it was possible to convince trump supporters that he’s literally not on their side

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          2 years ago

          One of his better nuggets for this crowd is his suggestion that they “take the guns away first and do [sic] process later”.

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                2 years ago

                You are cute. How far into the shit-filled rabbithole do I have to go into libertarianism before I find your specific flavour of bullshit? Somewhere between rand paul and ayn rand? Or do we go deeper?

                Libertarians man. What a fucking joke.

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                  2 years ago

                  I’m ethically closer to a leftist, but your choices highlight your ignorance but I guess that makes it easier to be smarmy.

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                    2 years ago

                    A leftist who can’t see how the tea party emboldened and created the proto-maga movement just in time for Trump to take it over.

                    I will once again call bullshit.

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              Steelmanning is hard. I have gotten better at it, but it’s kinda through empathy rather than analysis.

              Abortion rhetoric is a shitshow of fallacies. Almost nobody is willing to slow down. And, yeah, the best part is that while failing to understand the other side’s motivations they’ll accuse the other side of lacking empathy.

              I can handle the “trump funny” people, but anyone that genuinely likes Trump drive me batty. I don’t think Trump has any ideals to hold onto to begin with, so it’s all cult of personality shit.

              With some exceptions, a lot of the anti-tax racist rednecks have been sidelined - the dinosaurs are dying. I went to the 2020 LP state convention because I was asked to, and I was really happy seeing the dudes that made me leave 16 years ago sitting at a table alone.

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                  No, nothing has changed. And that was a good professor. I’m kind of in the place where we’ve picked metrics to decide when it’s fine to let a life go so why can’t we look at the other side and aim for a non-magical start.

                  The LP has pretty good social ideas. First electoral vote for a woman. First to include sex workers in the party platform. The NAP is interesting because both the left and right are down, we just define aggression differently.

                  With sane liability laws and a financial system that isn’t built for large corps, a free market could work. Where business has responsibility for its actions and is rated based on customer liability vs assets. Libertarians don’t want no regulation, they just prefer private regulation. Ancaps are kind of the same. So long as we keep trying to patch up our bullshit system instead of addressing root causes, we’ll continue getting fucked.

                  I’m still kind of a libertarian. My anti-corp and non-propertarian leanings make me somewhat left politically, but I have strong ethics about helping each other and those that can’t really help themselves. I just don’t like using violence to make people do what I want.

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              2 years ago

              I mean, the local people put up a huge fight in our state fight to change the constitution to allow banning abortion. Printed stickers, organized marches, protected speakers and organizers.

              Have you looked at who won the presidential nomination this time? Kinda neat.

              It’s a shitshow, and not at all monolithic. I’ve drifted toward left anarchy in the last couple decades, but they’re not nearly as bad as progressives want to paint them.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      I’d really prefer another candidate, but under our current system and circumstances, Biden is our best option.

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        2 years ago

        That’s how democracy works. You rarely get to pick a candidate who is perfectly aligned with you. You pick the least bad option.

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      2 years ago

      The DNC is going to run this playbook again in four years. Stuff some establishment democrat down our throats “for the fate of democracy”. I agree that another Trump presidency would be terrible, but can the American people please get a real choice of which Democrat to vote for? Please DNC?