Sadly, that’s like 99% of us not in the Epstein class. Where are all those real crazies, the organized psychos, when an actual evil pedophile elite is right there?
Exactly. We finally have a tyrannical corrupt government that is headed by a pedophile Russian asset and the 2A crowd is silent or supports it. Think the left should arm up and we should have that revolution the teaparty morons want so bad - but instead of some action movie shit it would just being walking down the street and shooting your pedophile supporting neighbor.
Those people were always on the side of the tyrants. What they meant by tyranny was the tyranny of democracy and rule of law. They don’t like that at all since Lincoln freed the slaves. And after the civil war they just kept waging it by other means, for over a century. They never stopped fighting, and now they are in power, because they know that democracy can be easily corrupted over time with money.
Non-voters lack deductive reasoning. They fail to understand that if Harris doesn’t win, Trump wins. They can’t grasp that eliminating one option leaves only the alternative.
Perhaps if they banded together, they could get support for a third candidate. It would be difficult but I suppose trying would have been better than refusing to vote against fascism.
They don’t like the rules of the game, so they refused to play
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party, 1st past the post election but you’re “capable of winning elections” and you’re gonna “carry” folks? Get the fuck out of here with that delusional bullshit.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party,
This is why I keep whipping out the perjoratives. There are single celled creatures showing more reading comprehension then this cult. You lost the fucking election relying on a false assumption of voter behavior and all you are doing is enforcing the demonstrated observation that you dont get how elections work.
You donʻt understand how elections work. Just shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out. This shit is too complicated for you.
I didn’t lose shit. I’m not a rah-rah DNC supporter and I didn’t have shit to do with all the brain dead decisions by the DNC that helped get us to this point. You don’t know me and you can fuck right off with that noise.
Once we have a choice between center right, status quo candidate and far right, authoritarian, racist, rapist, felonious, pedophile, the choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum. I hate that the DNC refused to take a moral stand against Palestinean genocide but I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. Do you think we are better off now that one of our few unequivically anti genocide representatives is being threatend with deportation?
The world is a terrible messy moral minefield and the US political system is absolute shit but reasonable, responsible adults accept reality and try to navigate towards the best possible outcomes. Stop acting like a sullen child. I hope you don’t live in a swing state.
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
Yeah anyone who doesn’t bow down to your particular version of reality is a genocidal pedophile rapist transphobe. We’ve heard it before, you’re just MAGA in a rainbow colored keffiyeh, it’s not about politics, it’s about you, your narcissism, and a pathological need to project moral superiority. You’re just as much of a threat to democracy as MAGA is, it’s the same mechanism, it’s the same fundamental fascism, you just happened to hop on another bus.
She was a fucking cop who supported Israeli genocide. She literally would have been better than trump, for sure. Don’t get me wrong. But what the fuck man. You’re gonna blame people who couldn’t vote for genocide cop for the fact that pedo realtor is president?
Absolutely, funny how you remove genocide from Trump’s title he’s been rather enthusiastic about it.
And sure you can call a district attorney a cop if you want to, but what do you call the man that’s set up his own secret police force to brutalize the populace?
Yeah I mean I could not have been any clearer but once again, obviously trump is far worse than Harris could have ever hoped to be. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here.
The left has been usurped by adolescent culture warriors who don’t give a shit about anything except being outraged about their flavor of the month identities not being taken seriously. It’s vile, it doesn’t belong to us, they just latched on and now we can’t get rid of them. If I was conspiratorial I’d say it’s a psyop because they’ve done nothing but harm to the real left, to the workers, to the proletariat, to actual humanitarian change, it’s all performative purity testing bullshit.
It’s like a little club they made for themselves, more like being part of a band fanclub or console fanboys than having anything to do with actual politics and creating an equitable society for all. It’s fucking ridiculous.
80 million sick fucks as well as all the people registered to vote that refuse to all because they think that women shouldn’t be leaders… in addition to all the filthy scum who think that compromise is treason when in reality aiding nazi filth is treason. whether that aid is refusing to vote, voting for republikkkans, or wasting votes on independents who can’t even make a name let alone getting votes… it’s all aiding nazi filth.
second worst… I think they hate transgender women more than they hate brown people (they basically ignore the existence of transgender men except in passing).
It shows how important christianity is to 2/3 of America— as in not at all. It’s why I can never take christian values seriously again because it’s obviously just another club with personal benefits for the people who join. Living the teachings of Christ is completely voluntary.
living the values and teachings of old white men claiming they heard god speak and who want women and children to be sex slaves is not religion. is a control mechanism that has raped and butchered people for 2000 years, while convincing delusional nutjobs who can only act right under the threat of damnation, that they are good people.
The problem is there are no meaningful citizen’s militias that aren’t themselves Nazis.
The left allowed itself to be disarmed for the purpose of purity signaling and the result is a gross lack of tribal knowledge with regards to engaging in protracted violence.
aw shit i guess i don’t exist anymore because someone on lemmy thinks all american leftists are just liberals so they can get more updoots by performatively conflating a leftist demographic with leftist politicians currently in government in response to someone who doesn’t know the difference between a leftist and a liberal.
What Americans call “left” would be considered moderate conservative centre-right in any civilised country (anything left of that you’d call communism).
Your “leftist” politicians (the so called “democrats") are regular right wing conservative populists, with some extra ultracapitalism and religious fundamentalism sprinkled on top.
What you’d call right wing or conservative (republicans) are ultracapitalist ultrafundamentalist far right fringe maniacs.
And maga are outright unapologetic fascists, on top of that (though, to be fair, fascism has been a core value in the USA for a long time, and at least these bastards don’t try to hide it; non-fascist nations don’t wave their flags everywhere, all day, every day, and they certainly don’t make their children recite pledges of allegiance, much less every day before starting school).
There hasn’t been any political left in the USA for several decades, if ever.
Trump’s approval rating is 18 points underwater, which is his lowest ever and like 16 points below where Bush was after Hurricane Katrina. He has fallen fast. Will be interesting to see whether our institutions can start to right themselves with Trump’s political power so diminished
They just don’t think it’s true. Not making excuses for them or anything here. But they are not accepting this as fact and then saying “yeah I’m okay with that.”
If you want to nail them for something it’s their head-in-the-sand approach to facts and evidence, not where they draw the line morally.
I personally don’t know that the witness in the story is credible or actually even real. There is real evidence to believe she was a made up by Jerry Spring producer Norm Lubow.
No one else has ever seen her in person. Once she was supposed to have an in person interview but canceled it and would only have a phone call instead.
I’m not saying I don’t think Trump is guilty of some really heinous shit, just that this specific witness doesn’t seem to be real.
No reasonable person is enthusiastic to go public with rape allegations against Trump, go on TV and talk about them, etc. and get MAGA death threats for the rest of their life and go down in history for it. I would not consider remaining private as credibility points either way. That’s like saying someone is guilty because they plead the 5th.
The privacy part doesn’t bother me. it’s the Jerry Springer producer involvement. His whole job was to make up stories for the show. I’m not saying he is or isn’t lying but because he is such an untrustworthy person, the chance for doubt becomes significantly higher.
Please note, I am not defending Trump or arguing over any of the other accusers.
My issue is just that a lot of people keep using Katie Johnson’s testimony as an open and shut case, ignoring all the problems with that accusation to back up their own wish for Trump to be a pedophile.
Is there a mountain of photographic evidence of them hanging out with notorious child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and calling them quote best friend" quote in multiple handwritten letters with crude silhouettes of children’s naked bodies?
Most think the same as you. Trump’s campaign promises were no war and releasing the Epstein files after Biden did absolutely nothing and sat on them for four years.
We’ve been betrayed by bOtH pArTiEs over the last eight years (and before that, for that matter)… because they’re BoTh all over the Epstein files.
We don’t have a “No Epstein” party in the USA, that is not allowed. We just have two corrupt shit parties.
(I’m not making random claims, either. We do have some information, like flight logs. Democrats and Republicans found common ground somehow and fucking loved that plane and the young girls on it).
Hey I just wanted to say that people like you are the reason that fat orange fuck is killing millions of children, go fuck yourself the parties are nothing alike.
Exactly this. It’s amazing how we start seeing the “both parties” rhetoric right around election seasons. But then they vanish afterwards, when they help get the vile fucks elected. It’s honestly astounding how people see clear evidence of the orange slimeball hurting children, and go “oh but the other side is just better at hiding it, so I might as well keep voting for the orange slimeball instead.” It’s the most asinine, cretinous, sophomoric line of reasoning imaginable.
Biden didn’t release them because there was an ongoing investigation keeping them sealed. Trump ended the investigation as part of his coverup. Good job preempting the fUnNy tExT though.
Honestly, probably a non zero amount, but I can assure you that the dem voters would actually care if it came out.
The Weiner scandal was actually a scandal and he served time. I’m not willing to go to bat for dem politicians (though I’d pick a random D over a random R politician any day), but I’ll definitely back dem voters on the whole for actually having some degree of standards or morals, which does generally lead to accountability.
I think that’s the main difference, because even if Rs and I disagreed, if they actually had morals we would not have found ourselves here. A bunch of Rs referred to Trump as a Hitler-like fascist and then bent the knee because the R voters didn’t care. It’s not that our politicians are somehow morally superior, though on the whole they definitely are, it’s that the actual base cares about the things they say they care about.
I can’t believe Americans (all institutions, and half of voters) are fine with this. This is fucked up.
We’re not, but he is protected by one of the most well funded military’s in the world. We can’t exactly just walk up to him.
And yet people got so close. Soooo fucking close. We seriously need another Von Stauffenberg scenario.
My stomach turns just reading that headline. Beyond disgusting.
But not enough to actually do anything in the USA.
As much as I want to go full Luigi unfortunately I have mouths to feed and they won’t make it without me
There’s a reason that historically revolutions were started by young men with no children
That is not true whatsoever, but sure.
Sadly, that’s like 99% of us not in the Epstein class. Where are all those real crazies, the organized psychos, when an actual evil pedophile elite is right there?
Cheering them on unfortunately
Exactly. We finally have a tyrannical corrupt government that is headed by a pedophile Russian asset and the 2A crowd is silent or supports it. Think the left should arm up and we should have that revolution the teaparty morons want so bad - but instead of some action movie shit it would just being walking down the street and shooting your pedophile supporting neighbor.
Those people were always on the side of the tyrants. What they meant by tyranny was the tyranny of democracy and rule of law. They don’t like that at all since Lincoln freed the slaves. And after the civil war they just kept waging it by other means, for over a century. They never stopped fighting, and now they are in power, because they know that democracy can be easily corrupted over time with money.
Feat of the left arming up is why they have passed more and more stringent gun laws everywhere. Especially in Canada of late.
And what are you doing about it? What do you think they can do that you can’t?
Every eligible voter who decided that not voting was better than voting for Harris has blood on their hands too.
Non-voters lack deductive reasoning. They fail to understand that if Harris doesn’t win, Trump wins. They can’t grasp that eliminating one option leaves only the alternative.
Perhaps if they banded together, they could get support for a third candidate. It would be difficult but I suppose trying would have been better than refusing to vote against fascism.
They don’t like the rules of the game, so they refused to play
We’ve been through this. It was centrist pushing genocide that lost the election. You keep putting out this fascist trope.
Yes we have been through this and what you said was horse shit, still is.
The more dumb things Trump does the dumber this argument becomes.
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party, 1st past the post election but you’re “capable of winning elections” and you’re gonna “carry” folks? Get the fuck out of here with that delusional bullshit.
This is why I keep whipping out the perjoratives. There are single celled creatures showing more reading comprehension then this cult. You lost the fucking election relying on a false assumption of voter behavior and all you are doing is enforcing the demonstrated observation that you dont get how elections work.
You donʻt understand how elections work. Just shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out. This shit is too complicated for you.
I didn’t lose shit. I’m not a rah-rah DNC supporter and I didn’t have shit to do with all the brain dead decisions by the DNC that helped get us to this point. You don’t know me and you can fuck right off with that noise.
Once we have a choice between center right, status quo candidate and far right, authoritarian, racist, rapist, felonious, pedophile, the choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum. I hate that the DNC refused to take a moral stand against Palestinean genocide but I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. Do you think we are better off now that one of our few unequivically anti genocide representatives is being threatend with deportation?
The world is a terrible messy moral minefield and the US political system is absolute shit but reasonable, responsible adults accept reality and try to navigate towards the best possible outcomes. Stop acting like a sullen child. I hope you don’t live in a swing state.
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
Wishing you the same
Yeah I bet you’re super involved in politics.
Yes. People actually involved in politics understand these things. Recognize your betters.
This is a truly unhinged take.
If you find reality unhinged, perhaps it’s you that needs hinging.
If Trump and Harris were threatening the same genocide, but Trump had more targets than just Palestine, wouldn’t Harris be the harm reduction choice?
Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
How is Trump not a pro genocide candidate? How does this make sense?
Who was President and vice President, and politically immovable while Israel was flattening Gaza with 2000lb bombs?
Like, I’m going to say this, you won’t understand it, but it is true, and someday you might. So this is for your future self:
You live in a fiction of your own creation. The version of reality you inhabit is a fantasy.
Thanks Neo… So are the bombs dropped any different now?
This is the outcome you were insisting on, so you tell me.
after everything Trump has done, you’re still holding on to this? lmao bro
go into Palestine and tell them harm reduction would have been worse and you helped vote trump in
Yeah cus we never needed to lose to them. Losing to them was a fucking choice by people who were I bothered by a genocide.
wake up to the reality we have
you don’t have to like it
struggle all you want to try to make it better
but don’t fucking lie to yoursels
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
That right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda really did a number to leftist’s critical thinking skills and turned you into single issue (non)voters.
It’s sad to see.
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
By calling liberals fascist you’re doing the real fascists a favor by normalizing it.
The only things you’ll be remembered for will be defending a genocide to such an extent you were willing to sacrifice an election for it.
Yeah anyone who doesn’t bow down to your particular version of reality is a genocidal pedophile rapist transphobe. We’ve heard it before, you’re just MAGA in a rainbow colored keffiyeh, it’s not about politics, it’s about you, your narcissism, and a pathological need to project moral superiority. You’re just as much of a threat to democracy as MAGA is, it’s the same mechanism, it’s the same fundamental fascism, you just happened to hop on another bus.
Better than tanking a smart woman of color’s chance to make the world a better place because I fell for some right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda.
She was a fucking cop who supported Israeli genocide. She literally would have been better than trump, for sure. Don’t get me wrong. But what the fuck man. You’re gonna blame people who couldn’t vote for genocide cop for the fact that pedo realtor is president?
Absolutely, funny how you remove genocide from Trump’s title he’s been rather enthusiastic about it.
And sure you can call a district attorney a cop if you want to, but what do you call the man that’s set up his own secret police force to brutalize the populace?
Yeah I mean I could not have been any clearer but once again, obviously trump is far worse than Harris could have ever hoped to be. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here.
Yes.
An ahistorical presentation of events.
Only to those with their heads so far up their asses that they’re staring at their own tonsils.
You already sit in the “conspiracy theory” bin of history with regards to your presentation.
Nonsense
Leftists need to spend some time studying reality along with their theory.
The left has been usurped by adolescent culture warriors who don’t give a shit about anything except being outraged about their flavor of the month identities not being taken seriously. It’s vile, it doesn’t belong to us, they just latched on and now we can’t get rid of them. If I was conspiratorial I’d say it’s a psyop because they’ve done nothing but harm to the real left, to the workers, to the proletariat, to actual humanitarian change, it’s all performative purity testing bullshit.
It’s like a little club they made for themselves, more like being part of a band fanclub or console fanboys than having anything to do with actual politics and creating an equitable society for all. It’s fucking ridiculous.
The horror of realizing this many people are ok with it is really hard to deal with. I never want to be around other people again.
Shit like this is why I’m afraid to try dating. There are so many rapists, abusers, and potential murderers out there
don’t date outside of your circles of interest. good chance you’d land on someone like you, if you like the same things.
Finding a good one is like winning the lottery. :( I hope you find your person eventually.
Thanks
We aren’t but we are slaves in a police state
80 million sick fucks as well as all the people registered to vote that refuse to all because they think that women shouldn’t be leaders… in addition to all the filthy scum who think that compromise is treason when in reality aiding nazi filth is treason. whether that aid is refusing to vote, voting for republikkkans, or wasting votes on independents who can’t even make a name let alone getting votes… it’s all aiding nazi filth.
Yeah, but she is BROWN. THE WORST CRIME IMAGINABLE!
/s of course
second worst… I think they hate transgender women more than they hate brown people (they basically ignore the existence of transgender men except in passing).
It shows how important christianity is to 2/3 of America— as in not at all. It’s why I can never take christian values seriously again because it’s obviously just another club with personal benefits for the people who join. Living the teachings of Christ is completely voluntary.
living the values and teachings of old white men claiming they heard god speak and who want women and children to be sex slaves is not religion. is a control mechanism that has raped and butchered people for 2000 years, while convincing delusional nutjobs who can only act right under the threat of damnation, that they are good people.
There is no hate quite like Christian love.
We’re Americans. We own guns.
The problem is there are no meaningful citizen’s militias that aren’t themselves Nazis.
The left allowed itself to be disarmed for the purpose of purity signaling and the result is a gross lack of tribal knowledge with regards to engaging in protracted violence.
What left? There is no left here.
aw shit i guess i don’t exist anymore because someone on lemmy thinks all american leftists are just liberals so they can get more updoots by performatively conflating a leftist demographic with leftist politicians currently in government in response to someone who doesn’t know the difference between a leftist and a liberal.
What Americans call “left” would be considered moderate conservative centre-right in any civilised country (anything left of that you’d call communism).
Your “leftist” politicians (the so called “democrats") are regular right wing conservative populists, with some extra ultracapitalism and religious fundamentalism sprinkled on top.
What you’d call right wing or conservative (republicans) are ultracapitalist ultrafundamentalist far right fringe maniacs.
And maga are outright unapologetic fascists, on top of that (though, to be fair, fascism has been a core value in the USA for a long time, and at least these bastards don’t try to hide it; non-fascist nations don’t wave their flags everywhere, all day, every day, and they certainly don’t make their children recite pledges of allegiance, much less every day before starting school).
There hasn’t been any political left in the USA for several decades, if ever.
No, it’s just that you mostly exist in some bubble online.
Trump’s approval rating is 18 points underwater, which is his lowest ever and like 16 points below where Bush was after Hurricane Katrina. He has fallen fast. Will be interesting to see whether our institutions can start to right themselves with Trump’s political power so diminished
Exactly, he bragged about assaulting women and they said that’s for them!
They just don’t think it’s true. Not making excuses for them or anything here. But they are not accepting this as fact and then saying “yeah I’m okay with that.”
If you want to nail them for something it’s their head-in-the-sand approach to facts and evidence, not where they draw the line morally.
I personally don’t know that the witness in the story is credible or actually even real. There is real evidence to believe she was a made up by Jerry Spring producer Norm Lubow.
No one else has ever seen her in person. Once she was supposed to have an in person interview but canceled it and would only have a phone call instead.
I’m not saying I don’t think Trump is guilty of some really heinous shit, just that this specific witness doesn’t seem to be real.
No reasonable person is enthusiastic to go public with rape allegations against Trump, go on TV and talk about them, etc. and get MAGA death threats for the rest of their life and go down in history for it. I would not consider remaining private as credibility points either way. That’s like saying someone is guilty because they plead the 5th.
The privacy part doesn’t bother me. it’s the Jerry Springer producer involvement. His whole job was to make up stories for the show. I’m not saying he is or isn’t lying but because he is such an untrustworthy person, the chance for doubt becomes significantly higher.
Are you talking about Katie Johnson? The article links to legal documents detailing her complaint to the FBI.
Is there anything more you can do to falsify that report than casually mention some Jerry Springer producer?
The article in the link also says that no one knew about Epstein when Katie Johnson made her complaint in 2016 but that is false.
The article also neglects to mention how much Jerry Springer producer was involved in.
What We Know About Origins of Trump Child Rape Allegations
Please note, I am not defending Trump or arguing over any of the other accusers.
My issue is just that a lot of people keep using Katie Johnson’s testimony as an open and shut case, ignoring all the problems with that accusation to back up their own wish for Trump to be a pedophile.
Well it’s a tabloid writing about a ‘chilling accusation!’ about something 30 years ago
What would you do?
Umm… for starters, not vote for parties led by rapist pedophiles?
What if the candidate you support gets accused in such a way?
He can go to prison then where he belongs.
What if you get accused in such a way?
I won’t be. But I guess you’d be quite f’d if they accused you. I can empathize a tiny bit (not really).
Is there a mountain of photographic evidence of them hanging out with notorious child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and calling them quote best friend" quote in multiple handwritten letters with crude silhouettes of children’s naked bodies?
Children’s naked bodies?
@guycls@lemmy.world I’ve got this, one sec.
Pretty sure that covers things.
That reminds me of the crowd in /r/thedonald where they were all getting riled up they were going to round up all the pedos immediately if they won
Ah, yes, /r/thedonald. Clearly the subreddit that would most accurately represent the fediverse.
What are you even trying to say? Democratic candidates are routinely sidelined by accusations of sexual impropriety.
Routinely? With things like this?
Then I would withdraw support
you wouldn’t look for evidence first? american fash has been calling every liberal a pedo for a decade now at least, and it’s always been projection.
Are you under the impression this is the sole piece of evidence that Trump is a nonce?
I wouldn’t really call this ‘evidence’
Release the Epstein files.
Half of voters are not fine with this.
Most think the same as you. Trump’s campaign promises were no war and releasing the Epstein files after Biden did absolutely nothing and sat on them for four years.
We’ve been betrayed by bOtH pArTiEs over the last eight years (and before that, for that matter)… because they’re BoTh all over the Epstein files.
We don’t have a “No Epstein” party in the USA, that is not allowed. We just have two corrupt shit parties.
(I’m not making random claims, either. We do have some information, like flight logs. Democrats and Republicans found common ground somehow and fucking loved that plane and the young girls on it).
Hey I just wanted to say that people like you are the reason that fat orange fuck is killing millions of children, go fuck yourself the parties are nothing alike.
Exactly this. It’s amazing how we start seeing the “both parties” rhetoric right around election seasons. But then they vanish afterwards, when they help get the vile fucks elected. It’s honestly astounding how people see clear evidence of the orange slimeball hurting children, and go “oh but the other side is just better at hiding it, so I might as well keep voting for the orange slimeball instead.” It’s the most asinine, cretinous, sophomoric line of reasoning imaginable.
Biden didn’t release them because there was an ongoing investigation keeping them sealed. Trump ended the investigation as part of his coverup. Good job preempting the fUnNy tExT though.
Who are you voting for?
Lits the democrats that argued over who gets t rape a 13 year old.
Honestly, probably a non zero amount, but I can assure you that the dem voters would actually care if it came out.
The Weiner scandal was actually a scandal and he served time. I’m not willing to go to bat for dem politicians (though I’d pick a random D over a random R politician any day), but I’ll definitely back dem voters on the whole for actually having some degree of standards or morals, which does generally lead to accountability.
I think that’s the main difference, because even if Rs and I disagreed, if they actually had morals we would not have found ourselves here. A bunch of Rs referred to Trump as a Hitler-like fascist and then bent the knee because the R voters didn’t care. It’s not that our politicians are somehow morally superior, though on the whole they definitely are, it’s that the actual base cares about the things they say they care about.
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