Is John Bolton a good guy now?
Literally zero people said that.
In order to do that Trump would need a MAGA-Republican majority in the US Senate as well, due to a recently bi-partisan enacted law by Congress stating as much - https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/
From what I understand, Trump alone could not make the US leave NATO. And despite how despicable some Republicans are, I think he’s made enough enemies within his own party to never see that actually happen.
His father should have pulled out.
So usa are going to leave there military bases on our land right ?
Well last time trump did a withdrawal of troops they left everything for the taliban, so it stands to reason it would happen again.
The elites don’t want you to know this but the fighter jets at overseas military bases are free you can take them home. I have 12 F-35s
We know. Get out and vote!!!
But remember, vote for Biden and not for Trump. If you play nice and behave, a group of unknown people that you didn’t vote for might actually vote for Biden so he can stay president for another 4 years. If you voted for Trump, I guess that group of electoral college people might care enough to still vote for Biden? But who cares anyway. Neither Biden nor Trump actually do anything. They just tell the rest of us to do as they say…I’m being sarcastic, vote Biden! Please! Electoral college dudes… because we know you’re all dudes … Please could you just vote for Biden this time?
… perhaps it was a mistake to legalize weed after all.
this is an appeal to ridicule, and ableist besides
But remember folks! There’s a lot of (disillusioned) people here that would like everyone to know that Trump and Biden are exactly the same!
No. Just no. We pressure Biden because we want him to be better. We believe he can be. Trump is a lost cause who should be in prison for attempting a coup.
No, you do it because you’re a weaksauce milquetoast coward who goes after the weaker party in a confrontation because you care more about avoiding conflict than you do about what’s right.
And you’re alienating all of the pro-Palestine people who want a third party, and literally anyone else who wants literally anyone else in office other than those two cretins.
It won’t kill you to support something different instead of being a cowardly little weasel for once in your life, I promise you.
Bruh you okay?
Are you listening at all or are you just looking for a cheap gotcha moment?
Instead of advocating for a third party that can possibly offer us something better, all they have to offer is more of the same or a concentration camp, and neither choice is acceptable.
Hooray! My 3rd party candidate got 9% of the vote! It shows that there is a chance for a 3rd party in the US, assuming democracy survives 4 more years under Republican/Trump executive control.
Then all of you find a third party and vote for them instead of Biden. Force the change you want to see in thr world. Until then, get out of my face.
Have you tried coordinating 5 people for a dinner party? Imagine trying to get 75 million people to all agree to switch to one of various third parties?
Biden got the most votes of any president in history. Trump is ranked number two. It is simply a risk we cannot take at this time. If you vote 3rd party in 2024, you are betting your rights, women’s rights, non-Christians rights, LGBTQ rights, worker’s rights, and the possiblity of ever having free and fair elections on the most hazy of fevered pipe dreams. Anyone who does this a fucking moron. You’re out here bitching about how conservative Biden is, when christofascist terrorists have a gun pressed into the back of your head. You can feel morally superior in your ghetto I guess.
absolutely no one has ever legitimately argued that. the point is that both choices suck and we get no say in it
There is no such thing as the “North Atlantic” it is a nonsensical organization, there is no logical reason for the US and Canada to be in a millitary alliance based on the made up polity of the “North Atlantic”, not saying that European countries shouldn’t care about regional defense, but that has nothing to do with the US or Canada. Nato is just an excuse for the US to park it’s nukes and bases in Europe and extend it’s millitary power, no one needs nukes, and people especially don’t need foreign nukes in their country.
edit: also Trump would never pull out of NATO, the farthest he would ever go is threaten and then coerce European countries pay more of a share of the budget and say he made a “better deal”, but he’s quite obviously bluffing
You do know that the UK and France have their own nuclear stockpiles, right?
They are not nearly as large or as capable as what the US has though
They have more than enough to wipe out humanity. What else do they need?
If it was that simple, the US would have stopped producing missiles and warheads a long time ago
The U.S. hasn’t produced a new nuclear weapon since 1989 and has fewer nuclear weapons now than any time since 1968.
https://www.acq.osd.mil/ncbdp/nm/NMHB2020rev/chapters/chapter4.html
It would backfire like Brexit. Imagine the USA openly shunted by all former allies about their war crimes and other international crimes. The US forgets they currently can get away with a lot, and they do, because they are also an important ally. If you remove their NATO support, what reason is left to whistle ignorance?
Brexit was a disaster because the UK economy was third-place-and-shrinking in the economic block. They had no leverage.
NATOXIT would be a much bigger deal, because the US is the premier global military power and the single largest exporter of weapons and associated tech.
Also, the NATO thing is pure bluster in order to assert leverage over the bloc, while Brexit was a dog-catching-the-car scenario. The Tories invented so many fictions about how awful EU membership was that they couldn’t accept what generous concessions were offered. Meanwhile, Trump will happily take a big personal kickback for a small concession on arms sales.
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Don’t know what consumer base you’re referring to, but other than the wealthy keeping the economy afloat by maintaining their expenditures on creature comforts, most people in America are broke as fuck.
So, you cool if Canada nopes out of NORAD too then? Gonna use smoke signals for your DEW?
Canada can’t defend their own airspace without US assistance. They have 78 VERY old and tired CF-18s that date back to 1982 to patrol an airspace larger than the US.
They can nope out of whatever they want and get taken over by Russia and China. (Shit even India doesn’t respect their sovereignty and runs Special Ops on their soil.) However I very much doubt the US will let that happen.
It’s not about Europe. It’s about the massive fuckton of TS//SCI shit shared directly with FIVE EYES and NATO, which shows the exact locations of US strategic nuclear weapons, strategic weapons protocols, intelligence gathering techniques and sources, etc that can almost immediately be sent directly to Russia and China as soon as the US walks out the door. It’s about the first line of defense missile detection radars, the cryptologic keys, Global Campaign Plans, Contingency Plans, PBNZ coordinates, non-overflight coordinates, FLAGWORDS, etc.
And that’s not all - you also lost all international trade, everywhere, forever. Bye-bye middle eastern oil and Chinese manufactured goods, because all your oh-so-friendly shipping lanes and freedom of the seas is now contested waters full of could-be-privateers. If the EU, by pure necessity, pivots Eastward into a pan-Eurasian bloc, that’s game for the US.
Breaking away would be painful but there is nothing you’ve stated on the Op Sec side that can’t be changed or moved. Early warning radars are forward positioned for the safety of our allies. Shuttering them would hurt them more than us.
Cheap Chinese goods are a thing of the past. The CCP under Xi is openly hostile to the West. Due to the one child policy their demographics are even more terminal than Europes or Russia’s. The US is in the middle of the largest industrial build out in modern history because of this.
We don’t need Middle Eastern oil, the US is the fastest growing net exporter of oil and gas. If anything they compete with our energy products. Europe and Asia would be hit harder by the US pulling back from guaranteeing freedom of the seas for the global order. If US ships were not on station off the coast of Yemen you would see a larger disruption of trade. Europe has contributed very little to this operation which they are arguably more dependent on.
The US also has the best demographics of the Western world, we are the largest driver of international trade. Europe needs our healthy growing market and workforce more than we need theirs which are in terminal decline.
Good, then NATO can charge the US with war crimes since they will no longer be an ally. Get fucked
I would gladly watch all of our politicians get charged with war crimes. I can only dream.
No he won’t.
He made this exact same campaign promise back in 2016 and he didn’t pull the US out of NATO when he became president.
The only thing he did was to call out the majority of member countries that weren’t paying their agreed about share, causing (primarily) the US to make up the difference.
You know who also wasn’t in NATO? Ukraine.
NATO needs to be dissolved.
Why
It’s an old red scare relic that serves no purpose other than to make rich men richer
