As I was sitting here yesterday evening it came to me. Musk keeps using these guys because they’re willing to do things these other more experienced people are not. I want to be crystal clear: This isn’t something I’m reporting. I believe it’s just the most logical reading of the available evidence.

Basically, people who are a bit older know that it’s not worth committing a crime because their boss said so, but a bunch of interns who don’t know better are willing.

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    theyre infatuated with musk enough to do his criminal dirty work.

    and musk isnt close to them to give a shit when time comes to throw them under the bus

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      theyre infatuated with musk enough to do his criminal dirty work.

      More importantly, I think musk did a background check with a reverse than normal intention. IE guy fired for illegally posting confidential secrets from his previous job… top of the list.

      I don’t think he was looking for just young and dumb… he was specifically looking for criminals.

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        Technically gifted people who destroyed their careers early and that leaves Musk as their only hope. They won’t push back because the alternative is being a nobody with a ruined career.

        Doubly so now that their names are tainted by their current work.

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      They’re the dumb goons every mob boss has. Young stupid muscle that wants to come up and live dangerously.

      The US is run by the mob now.

      You’re safe if you work for them, paid for protection, are buying their product, or if your criminal enterprise is supporting their claim to power. Everyone else is potential target or victim. Especially if you’re resisting.

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        A lot of them don’t even seem to have any IT/software muscle. I keep reading that they basically have zero experience with a lot of the languages (COBOL), databases, or software that is used in the government. So these people get into the servers and start digging around in code and data that they don’t even have a fundamental understanding of and are essentially making shit up about their findings.

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          And the use of COBOL in government systems is not some big dirty secret. A quick search finds news articles, from mainstream to industry sources, talking about its continued use a few times every year. So going in expecting something modern is ridiculous. Just goes to show how stupid the people planning and executing this moronic plan really are.

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            Also like duh. Its the us government. If you’re hiring coders to get into every aspect of it and don’t have cobol and Unix capacity you clearly didn’t think or prepare

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              Cobol is heavily used in the financial industry for a reason. It’s actually excellent for processing financial data at scale and it’s well supported. Many of these institutions attempt to swap out parts of these systems with modern languages or runtimes; these projects often fail because they’re simply too slow or the new systems crash too often.

              I’m not saying it’s impossible to do so, just that it’s not worth it.

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              If I know anything about financial systems, I expect that some super critical process in Treasury is coded in like assembly via punch cards in some yellow aged plastic box using an Intel 4004 with like 640 bits of RAM supported by like a single centenarian on an as needed support contract because that’s literally the last person on earth who knows how it works and why.

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          A lot of them don’t even seem to have any IT/software muscle. I keep reading that they basically have zero experience

          Yeah, no shit – most of them are basically college-student-aged. CS undergrads are pretty much fucking useless at accomplishing anything on any real-world production systems (as opposed to making barely-working toy implementations to turn in for an assignment and never touch again).

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            Exactly what I was thinking of. Their misunderstanding of something like the different data types and epocs for time values is crazy.

            Any time I get a weird date/time value the first thing I check is what the epoc and smallest unit of time is as it’s far more likely I’ve done some bad math than something that old actually being valid.

            Edit: spelling

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      They should be able to see the writing on the wall when WH is denying that Musk has any authority.

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      They see people get pardoned out have charges dropped and they believe they’re on the same level as those people.

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    “But what is the other explanation?”

    When it all goes wrong, and everyone has to Make Attorneys Get Attorneys, you need low level plebes to fall on their swords.

    “Hey, hey, it wasn’t ME! It was THIS GUY!”

    We’re already seeing it with Musk and the whole “Well, he doesn’t REALLY run DOGE.”

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    as other people say, these people are throwaways. they are fuelled by passion more than reason.

    my additional take is that everybody always blames intern-kun so space nazi knows aggro can’t be on him.