According to a receipt and several email exchanges buried within the millions of files released on January 30, Epstein had six 55-gallon drums of the chemical delivered to Little St. James (LSJ).
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication).
Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. The conditional does not imply the inverse. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q
Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is false.
If you’re going to make claims on the Internet, it’s worth learning at least a little propositional logic.
Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them.
We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there.
Thats my take.
People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence.
Its not okay
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion.
The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.
P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.
Didn’t all of this start with the ideological principle that a government by the people would inherently serve the people? So the groups of interest don’t diverge between public and government, in theory.
The FBI, CIA, NSA, … have been obvious contradictions to that claim well before Trump. I mean… shit, for starters, everyone knows about the CIA testing their truth serum on American coffee shop customers.
Seems that, for a while now, the reality has been more like that of two separate interest groups: government and public. Where did things start to diverge from the original intent?
I understand that governments are sometimes faced with need to act against public interest for the sake of public interest. For example, keeping the development of the atomic bomb a secret was vital to American goals at the time — despite the fact that many Americans would have probably preferred to have a much deeper discussion on the matter. Whether or not secrecy was the right call, it’s clear that not having it kept secret risked millions more American lives in a war… hence the conflict.
But that doesn’t seem to be the distinction here. For decades, the US government has been allowed to act in the interest of the government. Better surveillance, more lobbying and dark money, using economic and military influence to deter successful socialism in foreign states, the constant propaganda (especially regarding communism), … these are the behaviors of self-preservation, particularly for the government. How’d that start?
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap
i was going to say, just get some aqua regia. unfortunately i fat fingered my google and accidentally searched for acid that dissolves god and i don’t think lysergic acid is great for cleaning up evidence
If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink
I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it’s only 6 barrels and there’s way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn’t being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I’m ok focusing on “why aren’t any men in jail for this right now?”
Also you’d buy in bulk because the cost of delivery is probably the same.
The volume is a tote, aka an IBC container
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container
Super common and readily available for both legitimate and/or illegal purposes.
Document specifically states 6 55-gal drums.
Must not have a forklift on the island in that case
are you telling me epstein couldn’t labor traffic one forklift certified worker
Non sequitir.
The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.
However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).
This is called denying the antecedent. The conditional does not imply the inverse. In symbolic terms:
Conditional: p → q
Inverse: ¬p → ¬q
(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is false.
If you’re going to make claims on the Internet, it’s worth learning at least a little propositional logic.
Also, forklift attachments exist specifically for grabbing and moving barrels around. One of them is called a parrot beak.
Couldve also used a barrel dolly. Frankly I don’t really care if Jeffrey Epstein was forklift certified.
2+2=5
It sure seems like it sometimes 🤣
Didn’t realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal
Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM…Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!
We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.
People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence. Its not okay
I don’t disagree at all. The process we’re forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening
Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly… It wouldnt be the first time… and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect… among others… Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns… and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.
P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.
I think their job is to cover it up and they’re doing it well.
Didn’t all of this start with the ideological principle that a government by the people would inherently serve the people? So the groups of interest don’t diverge between public and government, in theory.
The FBI, CIA, NSA, … have been obvious contradictions to that claim well before Trump. I mean… shit, for starters, everyone knows about the CIA testing their truth serum on American coffee shop customers.
Seems that, for a while now, the reality has been more like that of two separate interest groups: government and public. Where did things start to diverge from the original intent?
I understand that governments are sometimes faced with need to act against public interest for the sake of public interest. For example, keeping the development of the atomic bomb a secret was vital to American goals at the time — despite the fact that many Americans would have probably preferred to have a much deeper discussion on the matter. Whether or not secrecy was the right call, it’s clear that not having it kept secret risked millions more American lives in a war… hence the conflict.
But that doesn’t seem to be the distinction here. For decades, the US government has been allowed to act in the interest of the government. Better surveillance, more lobbying and dark money, using economic and military influence to deter successful socialism in foreign states, the constant propaganda (especially regarding communism), … these are the behaviors of self-preservation, particularly for the government. How’d that start?
Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won’t even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.
Yeah, but you would need some kinda trap door that leads directly to the ocean for that in your own house.
Or, you know, a boat.
I never said the body had to be in one piece. For all we know Jeffrey could have been an avid fisherman.
Or really small, like child size.
The plausibly only makes it well hidden, if it wasn’t used for that.
I think it’d be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it’s used for making soap
trace DNA evidences?
I wonder how much dna would be left after a lye then acid bath
I don’t even think trace DNA would survive pirahna
Nitric acid would be better. But apparently sulfuric acid and highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide works well. Look up piranha solution.
But on an island, I would think a large barrel, concrete, and some very deep water would be sufficient.
i was going to say, just get some aqua regia. unfortunately i fat fingered my google and accidentally searched for acid that dissolves god and i don’t think lysergic acid is great for cleaning up evidence
If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn’t work and they move to harder stuff. They don’t actually say it’s piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn’t wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else “with a lot of oxygen” wink wink
If there was a massive order for hydrogen peroxide I’d believe piranha solution was used for these purposes