President Donald Trump threatened to veto every piece of legislation put forward during the second half of his administration if Democrats flip control of the House or Senate during next month’s midterm elections.
“Well, I think the Republicans are going to win. But if there was, you call it gridlock, what happens is I veto everything,” Trump told reporters Friday morning while speaking on the South Lawn. “And then the Democrats come and they want to make a deal. So we’ll work it out.”
Historical precedent and polling data suggest Democrats are on the cusp of flipping at least the House next month and possibly the Senate, due to public frustration over the Iran war and high costs of living.
So, they will override his veto
I for one can’t wait to see how democrats will snatch failure from the jaws of victory on this one. Can they impeach him 2 more times with zero consequences?
You need 2/3rds of the senate to convict so if the best case scenario happens (something like a 54 dem - 46 gop split) Trump still won’t get convicted becuase dems still need a dozen gop members to vote with them. So yeah Trump won’t get convicted. It’s not really dems fault; the rules are dumb as fuck.
Impeachment without knowing they have at least 60 votes before the trial starts is definitely a waste. There is some value in having the trial and making Republicans be on record as supporting trump. You do need to know it won’t be a straight party line vote though, or any benefits are mostly wasted.
Sounds like a quick way to get impeached(again) with the followup removal this time… Because Trump doesn’t have the decency to step down.
That’s fine but the hope is that he’ll never get anything past ever again. And maybe they can defund his big beautiful bill. And one would hope they wouldn’t be bowing to their israeli taskmasters but let’s not put the card before the horse.
I’ll settle for nothing happening the next couple years. I had thought it was bad before with how dysfunctional Congress has been, then it got on its knees for this wannabe king to walk all over it and things are so much worse than I ever thought possible.
Nothing happening would be a huge step forward
Yeah I was going to get worked up at this until I read your comment.
As much as it sucks to have a Pause on anything happening in the federal government for two years, it’s better than Everything Happening And It’s All Bad.
Me too especially given that he can launch nukes and kill every mammal on the planet
The man rules by EOs though.
Anything done by EO can be just as easily undone by EO. That’s preferrable to Congress passing horrible legislation on the slimmest of 50 vote majorities
True. But there are a lot of EOs to be undone.
470+ by trump, 72 from his first term were revoked.
So, they will override his veto
Flipping both won’t override a veto. They need 2/3.
So, that’s not going to work out.
Recall that Democrats couldn’t muster a majority to pass higher minimum wage with house and senate.
(I mean, they could have, of course, they just don’t)
That’s cause they’re controlled opposition
Do you mean the bill they introduced this year? How do you suppose they could get a majority on that?
One would assume they’re talking about the bill the Democrats introduced and then failed to pass when they controlled both houses of congress under democratic president Joe Biden.
Well, since they didn’t control the Senate and only had marginal control over the House, that would be a weird assumption to be honest.
They did control the Senate: 50 members (48 Democrats and 2 Independents that caucus with them), plus the Democratic VP to break ties. But they couldn’t pass anything Biden ran on because a couple of, “moderates,” wouldn’t play ball. Just like, even though the Democrats were winning on the shutdown last year, eight, “moderates,” decided to cave. The Democrats will always find a few Democrats to be the villains of the week so that the party can betray their voters to please their donors.
That’s because they didn’t control the senate, they barely had nominal parity which wasn’t even a true one because there is like you said always be several right wing people from right wing states that are nominally Democrats but don’t support the party consensus. In order to actually control it they need a bigger majority. This conspiracy theory that they do it on purpose is founded on the same principal that alexes joanses of the world are always blabbering about, talking about a shadow government is always fun, but it’s counterproductive.
First of all, again, they did control the Senate; Schumer was Majority leader. If you want to argue that they didn’t have a strong enough Majority to govern, fine, but that’s not what, “control of the Senate,” means. Second of all, the last time the Democrats did have a strong Majority in the senate (60 seats at the start of Obama’s term), they let the public option get stripped out of the Affordable Care Act and abandoned homeowner mortgage bailouts because they preferred to let one Senator (Joe Lieberman) hijack the negotiations. Either the leadership of this party isn’t interested in advancing a progressive agenda or their the most spineless, incompetent negotiators in history.
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Can’t veto an impeachment Donny boy.
Don’t be so sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if the supreme court said he could.
Something Something its against the law but since he did it in his official capacity as president its allowed.
Don’t threaten me with a good time. That’ll just make Republicans look even worse.
No it won’t
It’ll be ‘see, we voted in Democrats but nothing changed’
Sadly they will just is it as “looks at the dems doing nothing” and still worship the pedophile
They can look worse? The pedophilia, rascism, fraud, corruption, destroying our alliances, screwing up our defense stock piles, threatening neighbors and NATO allies, starting another pointless war, destroying the White House, covering for Epstein, making concentration camps, commiting felonies and raping people left any room?
Sadly, all of that isn’t enough for MAGA. Trump vetoing literally everything would even look bad to them. Consider this, a MAGA veteran has his benefits slashed bcz Trump vetoed a bill with bipartisan support. Even the most indoctrinated would take notice of that.
Name one thing Trump could veto that MAGA would care about.
Consider this, a MAGA veteran has his benefits slashed bcz Trump vetoed a bill with bipartisan support.
Yes, but have you considered that that’s a GOOD thing from many a MAGA veteran’s perspective? A conservative will endure losing benefits as long as it means bad people (aka those of wrong skin colour) also lose it. Remember how he said if the dems win, “everyone will get healthcare” and it was a warning, not a promise.
Even stupid people will notice when their Healthcare gets worse, things get more expensive, and the VA tells them to fuck off.
They’re scared for a reason, you think all this rhetoric about the dems making them pay is for nothing? They’re afraid they’ll see the inside of a prison cell if congress flips.
They’ll notice, but then Fox will give them some talking points to justify it to themselves.
All the talking points in the world won’t bring down prices or stop them from hearing Trump tell them to their faces that he doesn’t care about them or that prices are high. People are starting to finally realize it, he doesn’t care about anybody but Trump. Too little too late? Maybe, but they are losing support. It shouldn’t have taken this much, but the fact that MAGA is crumbling is a good thing. Let’s take the win where we can. There’s still plenty of work, but everything doesn’t have to be all doom all the time.
If sanity returns and Trump doesn’t get to have a third term, all the Republicans will just line up to say they were secretly working against Trump this whole time, which will make (most of) them look good to their base.
Then it’s up to us to show up with receipts
They’ll probably either not care or accuse the receipts of being AI - whatever FOX tells them to do.
Just look at JD Vance and Ted Cruz, both reasonably popular with MAGA Republicans despite openly expressing their contempt for him before he was elected.
“Democrats want to fall in love; Republicans just fall in line.”
So we should expect them to forget (or “forget”), but I never will.
Yeah, it’s actually an amazing incentive to pass progressive bills that tackle affordability and inequality. Since the laws will go no where, Moderates can vote yes because they don’t have to be concerned about their leash holders. MAGA will be clearly all about culture war and oligarch power rather than their facade of caring for “real Americans”.
This is assuming the Dems can get their shit together and focus on economic and corruption issues.
This is assuming we can also get AIPAC the fucking fuck away from our politicians.
This is kinda how it goes every mid-term election. I’m used to it by now. The way the US government is designed is hostile to progress and dragging its feet the whole time. The few moments when any party gets multiple seats of power, they sprint as far and fast as they can before the gears get clogged again.
You gotta just play the hand you’re dealt. If democrats win a majority, but not a supermajority, their job is to at least stop things from getting worse for a while.
What did McConnell say? His goal was to make Obama a lame duck president. Here we go.
For Trump I’d say “lame dick” president.
The few moments when any party gets multiple seats of power, they sprint as far and fast as they can before the gears get clogged again.
Republicans, certainly.
But I was around for the Obama first term. He was terminally West Wing brained. Fully convinced he was going to get 70+ Senators on every vote, because Lindsey Graham and John McCain and Susan Collins were his close friends.
Fucking chump.
You gotta just play the hand you’re dealt. If democrats win a majority, but not a supermajority, their job is to at least stop things from getting worse for a while.
I predict that Congress will find it doesn’t have a majority to pass any useful legislation domestically.
But what they will have is an overwhelming Pro-Israel majority. Also, just enough votes to ban transgender athletes from women’s sports at a national level
Obama was a community organizer, a Constitutional scholar, and holds a law degree from Harvard. It was his belief in the American system that gained him worldwide admiration and respect. We can’t be protesting corruption while also criticizing the incorruptible.
“The incorruptible.” You mean the guy who said he’d end mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers and then once in power he continued doing it secretly and hunted Snowden to the ends of the earth when he revealed his crimes?
It’s also interesting, because historically, the figure nicknamed “The Incorruptible” was Robespierre, who is generally remembered more for the tens of thousands of deaths he caused than his inability to be bribed. But if you look at how many people died because Obama chose to prolong the hopeless war of aggression in Afghanistan, when as commander-in-chief he had the sole power to end it, he’s got Robespierre’s terror beat easily.
Obama should be remembered as the guy who normalized everything Bush did and prevented any real chance of ever restoring the country to normalcy. At least with Bush, he wasn’t quite as good at marketing all the things he was doing, and there was some token opposition, both domestically and internationally. But Obama marketed imperialism and the surveillance state so well he had people thinking he was a progressive. Now, anyone actually calling for us to just return to the same level of civil rights we had in the 90’s is a crazy extremist, because Obama was so effective in defining the bounds of the US “left.”
All three of these monikers can be used to describe Alan Dershowitz.
It’s just theatre.
i think its more to put a break on ww3 or being an imprisoned state at this point. i mean you can call it stuck from ‘making progress’. some of us are calling it pulling the emergency break before you hit the event horizon after going careening into a black hole.
maybe wait a term before you can expect it to start going in reverse after it has slowed momentum going into self destruction.
i mean whilst were using physics terms and all that. context and trajectory are also factors you cannot ignore if you’re gonna use such metaphors here.
It is hostile to any progress which is perceived as the left. Anything the corporates want, or the right wants, gets breezed through. See the last two years, the Obamacare vs. Public option debate. The option to the right always wins.
But don’t you dare raise that minimum wage by $0.25. Some Dem with go thumbs down.
Of course he will. Dems should expect nothing less. So pass great legislation, let him veto it, and run against that in 2028.
in the meantime, use the time to investigate EVERYBODY. Put their crimes and arrogance on record, and expose the entire MAGA party for the treasonous, criminal, pedophiles they ALL are.
Exactly. This is expected and just makes them look worse for 2 years while he rots and has his power checked
Then we can hopefully win a super majority in 2028 and actually have progressives and claw back dignity
Its going to take decades to fix what he has broken and respect around the world. Hopefully we can bust up the mega corps and restore some independence to news and laws around news as well so we never end up in this propaganda hellscape again.
So what? So Democrats will at least be a check on the lawless corruption and incompetence of the Trump administration. That’s what the other 2 co-equal branches of government are supposed to do! Fuck Republicans and their kissing the ring of our wannabe mad king…
Who cares? At best you’ll get nothing done. That is better than getting bad things done IMO.
And in the next presidential election you can run on Trump getting nothing done in his last years.
And Trump will win again.
The people impacted in the alternative scenario.
Democrats shouldn’t try to pass any legislation in that situation; it would be enough to do something the Republican Congress hasn’t done these past two years: control the actions of the executive branch.To put a stop to his unilateral excesses, to effectively prosecute corruption, to demand that he comply with the laws and regulations that limit his power, and to make him comply with court orders. That would be a job well done and full-time, without needing to pass any laws.
Making the Rs vote against Medicaid for all, and having Trump ultimately veto it would look very bad for them. Medicaid for all has broad support now.
(Yes, I know it’s Medicare for all, but it should be Medicaid for all, most people don’t know the difference.)
When my family was poor a couple decades ago we were on Medicaid and it was so simple compared to how complicated Medicare seems to be, including having copays, and medications generally not being covered, and different “Parts” (not to mention “Advantage”). We were able to take our kids to the doctor and get them meds, everything just worked with no extra work or money on our part.
I’ve said Medicare for all seems like a scam and what we really need is Medicaid for all for years now, nice to see I ain’t the only one.
Son was on Medicaid for a while, due to being a preeme. An absolute dream of a health care program. You just get seen. Someone else deals with the paperwork.
Except payments are very low and most providers reject it. IIRC, $11or such for a routine dental visit. Which is fine if we had socialism where education didn’t cost a lifetime of repayment.
Making the Rs vote against Medicaid for all, and having Trump ultimately veto it would look very bad for them.
Chuck Summer and Hakeem Jefferies don’t want Medicare For All.
Then they should be on the record for it as well.
Especially when medicare rejects more and more, doesn’t cover drugs in itself, long-term care, and a plethora of other things.
Medicare for the elderly and disabled.
Medicaid for the peasantry who qualify (and we’ll make sure as many as people as possible dont)
In general, I disagree with empty, inconsequential political gestures—and even more so in this case. Something like this might not enjoy as much consensus among Democratic lawmakers as you think; it would shift the debate toward economic issues and face opposition from doctors and hospital administrators. I’m not saying that’s reason enough to avoid such a move when it could actually be implemented; I’m just saying the debate might not unfold the way you expect. I believe that focusing on enforcing existing laws and mandates could be more effective.
Exactly. They will never control the batshit crazy that is going on in the other branches of government, but if they can gain solid, responsible control of both Houses, they can at least get Congress back on their Constitutional path, and then start using their Constitutional powers to get the other branches in line.
“And then the [other party] comes and they want to make a deal. So we’ll work it out.”
Uh, yeah. That’s how it usually works.
Why do I get the impression that his idea of “making a deal” involves paying him personally?
Well if you kick a dog 99 times when you walk in the door it’s probably expecting to get kicked the next time
Doesn’t stop the majority of people speaking bloody murder when the dog does bite back. “OMG what could cause the dog to act like this?!”
Because it usually does?
*always
A very clear statement that he values petty party politics more than leadership of the nation.
The un-patriot president. Anti-citizen one.
His entire presidency has been a very clear statement of his values.
His entire life has been, honestly.
And everyone already knew all the sordid details. And the “party of faith and values” still voted for him.
His value of raping children?
The first in a long line of vice-ious values, each more heinous than the last.
And not paying workers.
Lack of values more like
He doesn’t care about politics, he’s just doing whatever he wants and people are actioning on it. It’s as simple as it can be.
