…yeah, ok. Sounds good.
moves to California
I’ve got “Hotel California” and “San Francisco” battling it out in my head now.
How about Going to California?
“someone told me there’s a girl out there, with love in her eyes and flowers in her hair”
Damn is that a great little tune, such a warm sound too
The fact that ya didnt list California Dreamin annoys me.
The mamas and papas make me want to punch myself when I hear them.
You could listen to the Beach Boys version.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard this…I’ll probably check it out
Two of the worst ones.
Such a lovely choice. /s
They both somehow fit the situation.
California Girls. And I’m not specifying which one
It’ll never happen. US Military would never willingly split itself apart, let itself get split apart, or let another nation that it’s not allied with have any sort of Army on its equivalent. The 50 states are here to stay.
Never say never. The domestic terrorists/agents of Putin are aching for an actual shooting civil war.
Even a peaceful division of the US would be something they would seriously benefit from. The US permanently divided against itself, each side easy to manipulate into a military conflict against the other. We would have nukes pointed at each other within a decade. It would be like the splitting of India and Pakistan, along with all the accompanying human rights atrocities.
Also how long before an invasion? They’re fascists, fascists don’t sit still while experiencing consequences, they invade
America has never been good at defeating geurilla forces
<General Sherman claws his way out of the grave.>
Sherman should have kept burning the traitors.
Dude should have gone west after Savannah, Atlanta has its shit mostly together now
Cop City not withstanding
Agreed, but that seems more a reaction to the progress than a symptom of it not happening.
The US military is going to be replaced by Trump loyalists. Whatever he wants to happen is what’s gonna happen.
I doubt it. He can barely run his shit past the civilian government. I’d be surprised if he knows that the UCMJ exists. The brass aren’t going to just fall in line, they know what an illegal order is, and what to do when they are given one.
He may manage to be the first POTUS that is ever told by the military that they have no confidence in him, and will refuse to take orders from him.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of trump support within the military. I really don’t think it will be as cut and dry as you say. Especially if he goes through with his prosecuting and removal of every military officer involved in the Afghanistan exit, which to me just seems like a way to pick and choose loyalists in his military.
That’s the thing he is going to find out. There are procedures for these things, and I seriously doubt that he can luck into getting consistent panels of 5 JAG that will throw the book at people over fabricated evidence. Also what he isn’t taking into account is that all of them have the defence that he ordered them to do it, so the buck stops with him. Having the military put the POTUS under military tribunal because he forced them to would be pretty funny though.
It’s expansive here in the places you may want to live, but seriously… It’s worth it. There’s also a lot of cheap places that aren’t as ideal.
Don’t threaten me with a good country.
Can Canada take the coastal states?
Can Minnesota come along too? We’re basically in Canada here already.
Yes. But please make sure to throw away your trash before you come live with us.
Only if you bring a hot dish.
Mac and cheese please
I think the Canadians call that “Kraft Dinner”.
You folks talk with a Canadian dialect.
Predictable. The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
I suspect it’s because for this brief period of time, anyway, it’s hard for them to avoid just how HATED they and their precious golden donvict truly are. They thought they’d “win” and all the normal Americans around them would just disappear. And yet, Karens like Green continue to get confronted by normal people.
The donvict-humpers supposedly “win”, and then get even MORE angry. Why so angry?
Because we’ve stolen their martyrdom from them by losing.
This is outrageously anecdotal but the trumpers I know were all grins on the day after until they realized we weren’t gonna just get over this and they just labeled themselves. They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
They seem pissy now, and one in my office in particular that used to chat with me about sports is really broken up I don’t want to anymore
Yeah, the Professional Left did an entire section about this and they mentioned the case where some husband is completely gobsmacked that his wife filed for divorce.
But yeah, I’ve seen the same thing and heard about it from others. Lots of quiet interactions about how so and so is a big proponent of donvict; don’t invite him/her to {whatever social function}.
The refrain of “yeah, but let’s just agree to disagree” - I can see why many people, especially those most at risk thanks to what they wan, are thinking: “YEAH, FUCK THAT. You just voted to harm me, and you want to act like it’s just a disagreement?”
Donvict is the only good name for him anybody has come up with. Good job.
Why so angry? It’s all they know…
that’s not… usually what you do win you win. so like… honestly… okay, kick me out, let me be governed by a saner government. also DC is between two blue state so good luck evacuating back to your conservative safe space, dumbass
Don’t threaten me with a good time lady.
Right? The country is split basically 50. This seems like the obvious thing to do.
I wouldnt say that. Left and right leaning people are mixed all over the country. It’s not like the civil war when people were geographically located where the states wanted to cecede.
Point is, my comment was a joke. If the U.S. fractures into a bunch of smaller countries, its not going to be a good time for anybody.
It’ll be a good time for the richer states once things settle down tbf.
Worse than having a king?
Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and Trump will choke on a McDonald’s big mac and die.
The right in a deep blue state tend to have more in common with the Democrats then they do with Conservatives in a deep red state.
I mean… as long as California takes Colorado and New Mexico with it, I see no real issues with that. We get the economy, the nature, and the nukes.
We’ll bring along Oregon and Washington, at least the west halves, and call the country the Collective of American States.
Sounds good to my rainy ears here in Seattle 😎
Lets go for the Fallout 2 version I want to annoy everyone.
I have never seen this version before. This flag makes even less sense than the standard NCR flag.
Its from Fallout 2 and was used in some Fallout New Vegas concept art.
Something that I learned recently makes this flag make absolutely no sense.
The bear on the flag of The Republic of California, is extinct, and has been since the 1920s. Therefore in the Fallout universe, that bear is also extinct. None of them could have mutated into the two headed version. Where the heck did this flag come from?
They still would have had the original California flag; the NCR flag would have been based on it, probably to deliberately harken back to the time before the restructuring of the country into the 13 Commonwealths divided the state in two
Yep. Best Christmas present they could offer.
Do it. Push her harder.
Aren’t the nukes in Montana and the dakotas? Though I’m under the impression we also keep some silos in the rural northeast.
Here is a handy map of some of our nukes as of 2006 https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/NotebookMap.pdf
But also? The expertise to maintain and build nukes are very much California and New Mexico as that is where the three major NNSA labs and their support facilities are.
Did not expect the distribution to be like that, especially with blue states having nearly as many as red and swing states combined. For anyone curious: Blue state nukes-4324 Red state nukes-2266 Swing state nukes-2454
Washington really surprised me but it makes a lot of sense actually. I knew there were none at Wright patt because you learn that growing up in Dayton, they can’t risk the aliens.
And yeah I knew albequerque is one of the most critical cities for our ability to project nuclear force and that we make and test them in New Mexico and that Colorado is home to norad command. I just had also thought there were some hidden in Appalachia in upstate New York or something or one of the other eastern mountain ranges
Swing states might have voted Trump, but those coward tards would follow the money in a secession situation, so I think the majority and their nukes would be on the sane blue side
Please don’t use ableist hate speech.
Eh, k. Coward garbage humans.* FTFY.
About the only thing that would make me happier than to have the entire pacific west coast secede and create a sovereign nation would be for Trump to do it for us so we don’t have to fight a war over it. You want us gone? Please, show us the exit, we’ll be on our way. No takebacksies.
Can the Northeast join? No one in MA for example wants to be part of MAGA Land.
Iirc one of
MAME electoral votes will go to Trump, ao nlt really no-oneEdit: I’m stupid. MA is Massachusetts which is blue af (every county iirc). Maine is ME
You mean Maine? MA doesn’t split.
I am too confidently incorrect sometimes. I’m not from the US, I thought you meant Maine.
Maine is, sadly, ME. It’s very weird. I think MN is Minnesota even tho MI feels more sensible but it’s Michigan. I think they did their best given what they had to work with :(
Too many M states, shoulda diversified.
Facts
I’m hoping for Cascadia.
This made me feel good to think about. And the downsides about why we could never do it are now equally matched and going to happen anyway.
Only issue would be public health stuff, but that requires cooperation across the board.
please?
Don’t threaten me with a good time…
How is it not illegal for her to say these things? Like is that a threat against the United States?
A known traitor threat against the United States was allowed to run for and be elected president. This country doesn’t have laws except for the poor and it certainly doesn’t have a functioning system of justice or even government at this point.
Depends.
Protected by the first amendment, one can legally advocate for the dissolution of the Union
through bicameral ratification outlined constitutionallyby constitutional amendment. To advocate for armed insurrection or violent overthrow of the federal government is sedition and considered quite illegal.Is it really illegal if the law isn’t enforced? Is anything a Republican does illegal anymore?
I’ve always loved this quote about conservatism:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Francis Wilhoit
“illegal” is rather a quaint notion.
I was told there is nothing in the constitution allowing for secession.
These people are very much against a lot of things on the constitution…and the bible…and fake-champion both…ugh
You’re correct. I was wrong. The Constitution would have to be amended to allow for it first.
The United States Constitution does not explicitly provide a method for the dissolution of the union. In fact, the Constitution is quite silent on the topic of secession or dissolution.
However, there are a few relevant provisions and historical precedents that are often cited in discussions about the possibility of dissolution:
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1: This clause, also known as the “Guarantee Clause,” states that the United States shall guarantee to every state a republican form of government. Some argue that this clause implies a constitutional obligation for the federal government to maintain the union and prevent secession.
The Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2): This clause establishes the Constitution and federal laws as the supreme law of the land, which some interpret as precluding the possibility of secession.
The Civil War and the 14th Amendment: The American Civil War (1861-1865) was fought, in part, over the issue of secession. The 14th Amendment (1868) was ratified in the aftermath of the war and includes language that could be seen as prohibiting secession. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that no person who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States shall be eligible to hold federal or state office.
Texas v. White (1869): In this landmark Supreme Court case, the Court ruled that secession is not permissible under the Constitution. The decision stated that the Constitution looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states.
While these provisions and precedents suggest that the Constitution does not provide a clear method for dissolution, they do not necessarily rule out the possibility of secession or dissolution entirely. Some argue that secession could be achieved through a constitutional amendment or a negotiated agreement between the federal government and a state or group of states.
It’s worth noting that, in practice, the possibility of dissolution is often seen as a highly unlikely and potentially destabilizing event. The United States has a long history of federalism and a strong tradition of national unity, which has generally been maintained through a system of shared power and compromise between the federal government and the states.
California would do so much better on its own I feel like
5th largest economy on the planet by itself.
Russia has a smaller economy. Go ahead. Make it without us. Dumb fucks.
Can… can Washington come? The western half at least?
Most of the Western states would probably end up joining overall. I dont see Idaho lasting too long being one of the few remaining states that far west for example.
Utah and Idaho definitely wouldn’t join California. Both are heavily Mormon/religious, conservative, and backward. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada probably would.
Artillery and attacks on infrastructure can be very persuasive. We dont need the people just the raw resources.
Washington and Oregon are basically Very Northern California.
Blue states pay more in taxes than they receive, and vice versa with red states. We are literally funding them dragging us all backwards.
So they know that Texas doesn’t have a GDP high enough to even run all their red catastrophies, right? I’m kidding, I know they don’t know. They probably also don’t know that CA would be the third largest super power if they ever let us go. Which they won’t. At all.
Californians are in an abusive relationship. Blamed for everything and not allowed to leave
And we pay them more money than we use for ourselves.
Just let us have our fires in peace damnit!
California should secede and kick off the great (terrible) balkanization of the formerly united states
NCR & The North East republic
Vs
Yeehawistan
Unfortunately that would cause a Pakistan-Bangladesh situation with a country connected by airlines. Except worse because Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado, and New Mexico would be enclaves in trumpistan
I don’t know, they are certainly close to dumb enough to sign off on it. Or, you know, we can just do it and ignore the rules since they are all so fond of that now.
Oh no, please, don’t
Marjorie Taylor Dumbfuck here doesn’t realize that her state, and in fact all Republican-led states, are solely dependent on blue state generosity in order to continue to exist. I’m sure the blue states would absolutely love for these freeloading welfare states to leave the union, because it would offer an immediate federal surplus that could be better allocated on themselves. It will never happen, because the smart conservatives love having a never-ending money faucet they can gargle when their economic plans fail due to their own ineptitude.
Poetic, and agreed on all points. I stress because if these fucking morons are dumb enough to try, I have to predict it so I can get the fuck out before everything collapses.
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I’d be all for the fascists getting their own country to ruin. But we’re too spread out to make it feasible.
Yeah, we’d essentially become three countries - the West, the East, and the No-Go Zone in the middle. Just get us New Mexicans to somewhere decent before all borders close.
Brother we don’t even like the old Mexicans. You’ll probably be in cuffs before someone can find the crayons to explain to trump the difference between Mexico and New Mexico.
😂 oh boy true
You could all just join Canada if you want to stay connected.
Canada could really use an injection of progressive minded people too, sounds like a win-win.
As a Minnesotan. Would love to.
If it weren’t mainly a rural vs. urban split, I
Yeah, we’d have to move them somewhere, perhaps down South… Make the link around say Virginia… Sounds familiar, but I can’t lay my finger on it…
Oh look, a broken clock.
How many times do we need to keep this nation “united” at gunpoint before we acknowledge that the science and reason people are incompatible with the supply side Jesus and racial hatred people? We can’t stand one another, and time only deepens that division until bloodshed, over and over.
You can’t educate those cultures that refuse to be educated or have their children educated. That kind of change, born of desperation and constant struggle inflicted from your own culture’s values needs to come from within. The Red States need their Martin Luther “maybe we shouldn’t punch ourselves in the face every day” reformation moment, and it isn’t rational for those that see beyond their ignorance and superstition be dragged down with them for generations until they get there. Blue states propping them up only prolong comfort in their ignorance.
You can’t force cultural evolution or save the willfully ignorant from their own willlfull ignorance from outside on Alabama any more than you can on Afghanistan, all you do is create a common enemy for them, as we continue to experience.
I have held this stance for many years (am not American though), and everytime I proposed it someone from the US told me “Nooo we’ve had that in the past and we fought a civil war in order to stay together!!! We can’t split!” and I think it’s like a broken marriage that was never easy to begin with that’s just being held together because the parties are too stubborn to say “ok well let’s split up”. It’s an unhealthy relationship.
