Or it’s not, and that’s the problem. The organised rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that’s been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

…to the point it’s now visible and blatant that the establishment left cannot stand and legitimately claim even the possibility they are the solution.

Because the solution is something more revolutionary that will cause bloodshed and more regular interruptions to people’s daily lives.

So of course, keep your head down, hope none of this effects you. Ignore that it already has. The dems will fix it later, ect…

It’s understandable to ignore the civil war even though it’s not rational to.

Terrorists (freedom fighters) are made as needed, they’re not born ready. Trump’s administration will be looking to stay under that threshold.

Viva la revolución

He was already the favorite, Trump’s endorsement here will cinch that up

You can tell the quality of someone’s character by the enemies he makes.

I predict Mamdani and Trump will have similar arcs through the media landscape. The media hated Trump but just couldn’t stop paying attention to him, even though every time they attacked him it only made him stronger. Now they are all bending the knee to him.

The same exact thing is happening with Mamdani, but this time for all the best reasons. Mamdani’s campaign might easily become a nationwide avalanche.

Mamdani is fucking AMAZING, I’m from the UK and I’m hyped xD

Well of course. He’s charismatic, young and he talks to the people he wants to represent. He’s the antithesis of everything they are.

Mamdani is a NYC mayorial candidate who is a member of DSA, pro-palestine, has stated that he would have Netanyahu arrested if he came to NYC, and is running on a platform of:

• Fast and free buses within NYC
• Rent freeze every year for New Yorkers in rent stabilized housing
• City owned and operated grocery stores
• Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD
• UPK

Now there’s plenty of reasons to consider him awesome - those have been listed by more serious comments than mine.

But did you know he used to rap?

Also, right-wing media tried to brand him “Zohran the Destroyer” and very promptly stopped doing so when they realized it sounds way too cool. Apparently he’s going to destroy NYC by advocating for 1) raised minimum wage, 2) universal free daycare, 3) A working fucking bus system. He’s got personal experience with the problems of the bus system, numbers, a working proof of concept, and a plan to Trump-Proof the city

I’m not even American and I’m rooting for him. Both because he might actually improve people’s lives and because he just seems awesome. Been a long time I’ve seen a politician with his charisma, enthusiasm, and vision. I hope NYC votes him into the office!

I’m so tired of people not telling this old bunch of shit sacks to fuck off. I’d have so much respect for any threatened tRump victim if they just told him the fuck off after shits like that.

Threatening to withhold money from a place that gives you the most money doesn’t seem like a smart idea.

If New York and California don’t give them their money, the Federal Government isn’t going to have money to withhold.

For real. Imagine successful infrastructure and social welfare programs being carried out at the city level, with little or no involvement or oversight from the state or federal governments.

Decentralization is what Republicans claim to be all about. Of course it’s a bullshit claim.

The problem at this point isn’t Republican hypocrisy, this is a known thing, it’s every institution that supposedly has the duty to put checks and balances on it not doing that. Congress, the courts and the press are all complicit at this point. It’s not leaving the people many options.

Why was this deleted by a moderator? What did it say?

We do not fight on their terms.

They want battles in the streets. They want explosives, dead feds and cops.

They want 258,000,000 dead Americans. They don’t give two shits what side it’s on.

A Mayoral election giving the elite this much terror is extremely telling. The GOP didn’t work the top down, they worked the bottom up. Local governments, states, and the branches of the Federal government.

If NYC can get this guy elected, then the doubt that fascists need to instill in the idea of democracy gets bolstered, and they have to do things that will be even more unpopular than kidnapping immigrants.

At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

I really wish we could stop all the pussyfooting and just get to the actual open conflict portion on the program already. It’s obviously what both sides want at this point, let’s cut the shit and just do the fuckin thing already.

Narrator: It won’t.

Another way to escalate this situation is to raise the taxes on billionaires enough to account for the missing revenue from the federal government. Itemize it and call it the “Trump tax”.

What does New York pay to the Feds? Dr into people pay taxes and that goes to the Feds? So how can a city or state stop that.

That would only work with like-minded politicians. Old Democrats have spent more energy complaining about Mamdani in the past month than Trump’s current presidential run.

I’m not sure how states could withhold money from the feds.

If a system doesn’t work when it encounters opposition, it doesn’t work.

Eh, bread and circuses. People are still relatively comfortable and complacent.

It’s not even close

Not very close, despite the online rhetoric. Life continues and our feudal lords play their games.

If things continue to get worse and another lunatic succeeds Trump, I think talk of secession will start to gain more traction in the West. But even then, it would take something really major (and not something the Lemmy politics crowd considers major, but something that actually snaps average liberals out of their comas) to garner enough support for it to actually occur.

Western secession would be an uphill battle; it’s just as likely we’d lose an armed conflict with the rest of the country, and an all-out war would be absolutely terrifying.

Not anywhere close, in my opinion. People have these ideas that only right wingers have guns and red state vs. blue state but my conservative relatives who live in the country and hunt are afraid to go to cities. They ask me all the time if I’m nervous living in one and there’s a school bus stop by my house where kids get dropped off.

A related point is that in the last Civil War, there was a somewhat blurry but pretty clear regional divide. Now, it’s an urban vs. rural divide. I live in Orleans Parish (aka county) in Louisiana and we went 82% for Harris/Waltz, roughly the same as Manhattan. I’m pretty sure California had more Trump voters than Texas. If a gun brawl breaks out, it’s going be local and contained.

Also, what’s Meal Team Six gonna do in a real battle? Most Trump voters are like 60+ years old and watch Fox News all day. Nobody wants the smoke.

I am very skeptical of the notion we are anywhere near an actual shooting war despite all the turmoil. Both sides would have waaaay too much to lose, especially red states, which derive huge amounts of funding from blue states (basically, blue states provide federal revenue while red states tend to use it up).

At the moment at least, people have too high a degree of comfort to actually get off their asses and start physically fighting. Things would probably have to get a lot worse before we really see that happen.

There likely won’t be bloodshed until the president is assassinated.

I think people are more pissed off and divided than they have been in a very long time. It’s hard to say how close we are to a civil war, though. There’s been a lot of propaganda for a long time saying “violence is not the answer” (even though sometimes it is), and “violence has no place in our system of government” (even though the government abuses its own monopoly on violence to imprison and kill innocent, peaceful people).

It feels like the media in the US is less reliable than it’s ever been in my lifetime, and would probably suppress as much as possible any information that would support open rebellion.

I predict with immigration crack downs we’ll eventually see some more resistance to that. At some point, either by ambush or chance occurrence, ICE agents will be attacked and possibly killed. Trump will horrifically overstep in his response. Then it will just be escalating responses.

There are only nine meals between mankind & anarchy. -Alfred H. Lewis

There will be no war because there’s no one to fight it. The organizations that an armed resistance might coalesce around simply don’t exist, and Trump’s camp is entrenched enough to easily strangle any nascent movement in the crib as soon as it begins to arm itself.